One venue – multiple girls. Is it worth it? by Arthur
Posted by Arthur | Blog, Reader Submissions | Posted on March 16th, 2007
For a long time I thought this was a matter of principle – as a customer it should be perfectly acceptable for me to take out / barfine / have sex with as many of the ladies working there as I wanted. After all, the Golden Rule always applies doesn’t it? He who has the gold makes the rules.When I lived in Singapore it was more or less necessary for there were a limited number of places to find quality Thai, Vietnamese, Filipina and Indonesian independents. I class all the bars of Orchard Towers as one because the ladies are so mobile between them. The other place that I liked more and more was People’s Park Complex in Chinatown because of the variety of horny Filipinas close to where I was living.
The trick in Singapore, I think, was that the working population of girls was always changing and they generally didn’t know each other very well. When I had problems it was because I was seeing multiple girls who lived in the same house or apartment.
The problems ran from the minor like cold stares or rude remarks to more serious like determined attempts to sabotage relationships. The worst I endured in Singapore was when one jealous girl ( who I call ‒The Evil Anna” for many reasons) was so angry that I liked one of her friends that she made a third girl call my girlfriend in Thailand and tell her ‒I’ve just fucked your boyfriend.” (I know, this sounds like a bad soap opera.) My girlfriend knew I was seeing other girls in Singapore but didn’t want it rubbed in her face. She was furious (as the Evil Anna intended). It took me a while to sort out what happened – who called my girlfriend, how she got her number and so on. That definitely wasn’t something I want to repeat.
Conversely some of my best Singapore experiences were with multiple girls from the same bar. I was friends and sometimes the customer of an older Thai lady called Mam who worked out of Country Bar on the second floor. She wasn’t seeing customers herself so much as acting as mamasan for a group of young inexperienced girls who were trying Singapore for the first time. Most of them had worked in legitimate Thai massage places and had unforeseen financial difficulties so Mam offered them a chance to make some money quickly. I came to an arrangement with Mam that we’d meet at Country Bar every Saturday night and she’d introduce me to one of ‒her” girls. If I liked her (and I always did) the three of us would go to my apartment. We’d usually take a load of semi-nude and nude photographs which I’d print for them. Then Mam would show her young pupil how best to make me happy. Similar to Smitty’s experience with Protégé and Friend in Pattaya.
Most of the time it was a great success and we all had a load of fun. My bed wasn’t big enough to comfortably fit three so Mam would sleep in the second bedroom while I stayed with the pupil. In the morning we’d have breakfast together and then Mam would go shopping at Golden Mile leaving the pupil with me. Mam expected her to prove what she had learned and would ask me for a report. All that for little more than the usual cost of one Orchard Towers girl for all night.
The only restriction was that Mam didn’t like me to see the pupil again. Indeed she got very jealous if I did. Mam was a complete rogue and I didn’t believe a word she said to me, but to keep the peace I generally compiled. The best experience I had was with Mam’s half-sister (same father, different mother). There’s something special about having sex with sisters, even half-. Sister Joy was definitely in the right line of business and I didn’t want her to leave on Sunday.
When I lived in Singapore (2003-4) most of the working ladies were Thai or Filipina. The Vietnamese and Chinese invasion hadn’t started. For a while I lived in Chinatown and visited the food court at People’s Park Complex just down the road. Every evening there were 30 – 50 Filipina independents there. They targeted a lower demographic than Orchard Towers girls – mostly Phillippine sailors and construction workers. It was (and still is) a very friendly scene and much cheaper than Orchard Towers. Around 10pm People’s Park shut down and the girls without customers would often go to Peyton Place in Orchard Towers. That wasn’t popular with the regulars at Peyton who derisively called them the ‒PP Girls”.
Totally by chance I hooked up with a Filipina called Lovela (Lovely) who was head of an entire family of PP Girls. I never got a complete breakdown, but at least two sisters and three cousins, all from the same province, worked together there. For Lovely’s clan it was perfectly acceptable to see one or more of them together or separately. There was no jealousy, just good clean sex and fun. Occasionally I’d take a group of them on a river cruise or to Sentosa. I paid for transport, ticket and meals – they repaid me at the end with great sex before they went back to work with the sailors. They’ve largely split up now but I run across one or more of them in Singapore or KL.
When I moved to Bangkok last year I was in the state of mind that as long as I didn’t cause anyone obvious loss of face I could see multiple girls from the same bar without major problems. As long as I was open and honest I could expect beer bar or gogo girls to be professionals, understand the difference between boyfriend and customer and be cool about it.
Not so simple Khun Arthur! There seems to be an unwritten law in most bars that the first girl to go with you claims you for the duration of your stay. Not that she sees you as a boyfriend – indeed she’s free to see as many customers as she likes, for she is working. But I as a customer can expect problems if I insist on seeing other girls.
The most famous examples of this are at the beer bars at the entrance to Nana Plaza and across the road at the Nana Hotel. Both are excellent vantage points to see the comings and goings. The general advice is don’t barfine anyone from either place unless you don’t mind her hollering at you whenever you pass with another lady.
I have not suffered any bad experiences like The Evil Anna in Bangkok. The worst was getting a text message from a girl that said ‒I want you delete my number from your phone NOW!” after I barfined one of her colleagues. But I did also get refused by a girl I liked at a bar because she didn’t want to be one of my ‒collection”.
At the discos like CM2 and Spasso the independent girl there all know each other and they can make it difficult for dedicated butterflies. Logically I don’t get it, but it is the norm.
The great and wonderful exception to this is the Beer Garden on Sukhumvit Soi 7. There seems to be no unwritten law in force there. Indeed the girls often encourage me to see their friends and I have never had a problem with any of them. I think many of their customers live in Thailand, so the girls there take a long view that regular, happy customers are the best.
Since there are so many places to have fun in Bangkok I have largely stopped resisting the trend. If I am comfortable in a place I will barfine only one girl. I take my time choosing, but there’s almost inevitably ‒buyers remorse”. (‒Dang! Why wasn’t she here on the first day? Groan.”) Maybe I’m mellowing in my old age, but for now even a little hassle isn’t worth it. If I truly run out of places to go I know I can always move to Pattaya or Phuket and start over.
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At the Mango the girls can get extremely jealous if another girl goes with a guy she knew first. We have to mediate these situations very carefully. Two things I want to mention:
1. Right off the bat tell the first girl you meet in a new bar that you may want to take different girls from the bar. Ask her if she is alright with this. If she is not then don’t take her. I have a friend that has taken the most girls from the Mango and he and I made that clear to all the girls. It worked out great as they all just got their turn with my generous friend.
2. We recently had a customer who wanted to take a different girl than the one he first took. The one he first took was nuts about him and couldn’t wait for his return to Bangkok. He had really taken care of her during his last visit and only went with her. This visit though he wanted to sample a few of the other Mango Girls. This destroyed the first girl and she was going nuts and starting to cause problems for the guy. I sat her down and told her that he wants to take different girls from the bar. He works hard and this is his holiday and that is what he wants. If she causes problems he will just never come back to the bar again and he will never ever see her again. She sucked it in, apologized to him and let him butterfly in the bar. I was a bit surprised and relieved at her reaction.
Bottom line, always try to set the expectations up front. Personally, I tell many girls that I have two girlfriends. This way they don’t try and latch on as a girlfriend, and they know I like threesomes. A tip I learned from Mochalover. Although Mochalover actually had two girlfriends at the time.
View all comments by pmmp
I am sure that one can do some regression analysis on the ideal cycle time, given the number of bars and how long you intend to be in a given area, along with how long girls stay at a bar and how much cash you want to invest given the girl’s looks. It isn’t worth the time; life is short. When I was in Pattaya two weeks ago, there were always more of them than there were of me. I say get some rest, pop some vitamin V, and go with the flow.
View all comments by PB
Being up-front with the girl is key. Definitely let her know at the start that you plan to butterfly.
And here’s a trick (only for the brave): get the first girl to introduce you to the second. Sure, she won’t like it much, but it allows her to save some face. She can tell the other girls that she ‘gave’ you to her friend, with the added benefit that the second girl now owes her a big favor.
View all comments by Mr Lucky
I wont use their names but on my recent trip I had one of the Mango girls on my first night and then the next time I was there after buying many Tequila’s 4 of them were kind of fighting about who I was going to go with that night. The girl from the first night actually talked me into who the 2nd girl should be and she wouldn’t have been my first choice but I went with it anyway. It couldn’t have turned out better because she was awesome. After doing 2 of them though I decided it probably wasn’t wise to go back again on this trip.
View all comments by Mark
My all-time high came when I had barfined 4 girls from the same bar in Soi Cowboy over a period of a couple of months early in my Thailand “career”. After a while, it started getting very tense when I walked in.
Now I know that I need to learn the internal politics if I’m gonna bar fine multiple girls.
Usually if you discuss it, the girls are happy for you to sleep with thier sister/cousin/best friend, and will often introduce you. But when you have sex with a girl who they think stole thier sister’s necklace (or shoes, or whatever) then the knives come out.
My first time into Rainbow 4 just after it opened a couple of years ago, I saw several cute girls, but one in particular had my attention. Another girl approached me, and we started doing the normal drink & small talk and she noticed me paying attention to the other girl. I told her that the little cutie had caught my eye.
“No problem! That’s my cousin”. She called her over and introduced me, but the little cutie was already barfined for the night.
Five minutes later we had established that there were 4 cousins all working together, they were all cute, and I would take them on successive nights. I did, and it was a rewarding experience.
Fast forward about 14 months; same bar (Rainbow 4). I haven’t been in the place in a year. One of the cute cousins remembers me and approaches when she finishes dancing. I said ‘no’ to getting her a drink because I had my eye on a totally different girl (lets call her Joy). I’ve gotten evil looks from the cousin on every successive visit.
I barfined Joy, and had a Joy-ful time. Barfined her again the next day.
Next time in about a month later, I didn’t see her, so I barfined a different girl (call her Som). While Som is changing, Joy shows up to work, sees me and comes to say hello.
While I’m talking to Som, Joy comes back from the change room. The potentially awkward situation turned out fine when I learned that the two girls are sisters ~ real biological sisters! They were quite happy that I was keeping it in the family, and even offered to go doubles if I wanted (I declined… just not man enough).
Nowadays I try to stay to the one-bar, one-girl program, but while pmmp is correct ~ rule #1 is set the expectation ~ I think rule #2 is to be sure that if you have sex with more than one girl in the same bar, be sure the girls are friends.
View all comments by werewolf
you are killing me.
I would be all over the 3some with the sisters, nice…
View all comments by smitty
not a big deal but I’ve taken 3 different out of Rainbow IV in the past little while.
i’m in the moment not in the past or the future.
maybe no. 4 tonight
View all comments by Jack Dawson
Fact is there are so many bars and so many girls that complications are quite avoidable. At the first sign of a squall I just slither off to another bar. Life’s too short to be arguing with hookers.
View all comments by Union Hill
Agreed, Union Hill. I do not have the time or the inclination to put up with the noise. I had a problem like that in a beer bar. I just wandered out into the street, found the next great looking thing, and the rest is history. If you have a problem with one, the next is only a conversation away.
View all comments by PB
I am in there for one reason, and that is not to enter into a discussion on derivatives with those up on stage. I can BS with the best of them, but time spent there means less time doing other things. The girls look at it as a meeting place which leads to making some money. So do I.
View all comments by PB
Arthur – what no one commented on but I am most jealous of is the training ground scenario u had set up for yourself. That sounds amazing.
I have always wondered in places like Tulip who shows the new girls around since all my experiences there have been pretty good. Same with places like Lolitas but it appears not much training is happening there given I have had some not so good but still good J. Just takes longer which is okay with me. I think they tend to learn quick at Lolitas given they probably want to get it over as fast as they can?
good stuff.
View all comments by smitty
Sign me up for the Lolita’s training program.
View all comments by PB
Wow, I started quite a discussion here. Great
I don’t like to walk away from a bar I otherwise like because I have inadvertantly stepped into a pile of doo-doo Thai girl politics. But sometimes it’s the best way – at least for a decent interval. I’ve tried being straightworward and honest up front. It works with some ladies but not with others (maybe because of language of course.)
I found another side-effect of barfining many girls from the same bar. Even if it seems to cause no problems I encountered the “everyone’s friend is no-one’s friend” issue. That is, if I barfine one girl she will probably take good care of me on subesquent visits. On the other hand if I am intimate friends with many of them, no one of them will feel it’s her job to take care.
I only got the “delete my number” SMS only after I’d barfined one particular girl. She must have been her worst enemy.
Smitty: yes, those weekends in Singapore were incredible. Even though Mam’s a total rogue her friends made it worthwhile. The pictures still make me smile.
View all comments by Arthur
I came across your story and have to say you did a great job talking about the filipina girls in Singapore. I am out there all the time in the bars, Lived here since 2001 till now.(2008)
Not much as changed in OT at PP. Now the going thing is Duxton Hill area where you can bar fly the girls out of some clubs, this place is getting really wild now.
If you make it back to Sg lets hook up and have some fun with the girls.
View all comments by Warren
hi there i read bout all sorts of story in SG but im concerned only in one person now any guys who is always visiting peytons place from 2006 up to may of 2007?and maybe knew some filipina women there?im looking for a girl named maryann maybe some of you knows her?shes working in peyton place as a dancer we met only twice coz i have to go back here in the states and i havent got any chance to come back there so maybe some of you knows her give me a shout?thanx
View all comments by justin
This extends to the beer bars as well. When my chosen squeeze was up country for a weekend I went to my fave place in Queens Park plaza snd took another girl from the same bar.
Of course the mobile phone brigade notified my previous companion and I got a load of un-neccessary mental and physical crap (kicking me in bed) so I had to kick her out of my apartment pronto. All this about taking another girl when she was away, what am I married to her or something?!
I always explained which girls I liked in the bar and wanted to work my way through them so to speak so everyone got barfined over the course of the week. Butterfly number one.
The girls do get jealous and because of the new competition that comes down country the older ones get particularly moody because of the insecurity, fear of losing their looks and money making opportunities.
Turns out the girl I went with paid some ladyboys to beat up my previous companion out of jealousy because she got more customers as a result of speaking English, Thai and Japanese. Yar ba involved somewhere along the line, bloody great, I only wanted a short holiday going with a few girls.
So much stuff going on below the surface at these bars. Have changed my policy to one girl, one bar.
View all comments by ao nang