Excuses, excuses by Daywalker
Posted by Daywalker | Blog, Reader Submissions | Posted on July 25th, 2011
A lot of comments triggered by Saltys post about sinsot/dowry payments. Interesting stuff indeed. Another common subject arose the other day in England when I had some workmen doing some home modifications (just bumping up security incase YP comes to visit) when one of them spotted a book on Thailand. I mentioned that I hang out here quite a bit when one mentioned he had just come back from Thailand a few weeks ago. He had met a girl who he fell in love with and was of course going to be sending money her way from the work they were doing to me. One way or another, my money always seems to filter back to bargirls?
Anyway, we were having a bit of a laugh and I said to this guy, “don’t tell me, the girl had only been in the bar business for 3 weeks, didn’t like going with customers, is only a cashier and was just saving some money to finish some house repairs or pay for some education”… I was jesting. His face wasn’t. He turned to his workmates (who by this time were howling with laughter) and accused them of “telling me”. Everything I had said in jest was actually what she had told him.
The guy wasn’t exactly working out any kind of structural integrity of my house and wasn’t required to carry out any calculations – but even so, I didn’t expect him to be that dumb. I was the dumb one for thinking that.
I mentioned that having been in Thailand for the last 6 years, I’ve met one or two bar girls (who hung out with pmmp) and I have heard all the stories before.
I relayed a few. He wasn’t convinced. I then asked him if his girl spoke English. She did. I then asked how is it she had learned such good English in 3 weeks. He went quiet. I then asked if he ‘went’ with her on their 1st encounter. He did. Again he went quiet as the penny started to drop.
I took pity on the dopey bastard and handed him a copy of Private Dancer and told him to read it. (assuming he could read)
In the parting shot I remarked that I could always be wrong. Not all girls in the bar ruthless. Not like the hardened ‘mature’ girls of Pattaya. More laughter broke out. – She was from Pattaya and the wrong side of 30.
It was time to change the conversation before he stopped taking pride in the work he was doing for me.
This has lead to a few conversations since. I’ve heard many excuses from girls to extort money from me, so I thought I’d open this up to see what others have been hit with. I can then just revert poor (new) suckers to this post and tell them to take others words – and not just mine. It’ll save me dishing out copies of Private Dancer too.
I’ll kick off with my 1st love of Thailand (met through pmmp)… she told me that her Brother was sick and needed an operlation. She didn’t know the English word for it, which for some reason made her look more innocent.. pointing to her appendix area. “appendix” I asked? chai… Chai… how much? “Five tousand” Excellent I thought. Bargain. Cheaper than BUPA.
I was young. Dumb. Naive. Since I’ve known her, her Brother has had is appendix removed 3 times.
Many other excuses have followed since. My favorite from an ‘ex’ on an e-mail to many people (same e-mail, many recipients) claiming that her Mother had ‘blood in head and need opelation’ please send funds. – which she got to the tune of 20k.
So, if you have them, please share them with the class and next time I try and tell some sucker that these are old tales – I can just direct him here.
Right, I must dash because my girfriend needs me to send her some money because motorcy has broken down. I didn’t even know she had one?!










In my experience they only ask for money from the pig-ugly ones – I’ve never had to pay…
just saying like …
View all comments by doctorbond
I probably shouldn’t even comment here, because, while I know about the scams and I believe guys get scammed daily by Thai girls, after six years in the kingdom I don’t believe I’ve ever had a girl scam me out of cash.
Still, I’ve handed over my fair share for many reasons.
Perhaps all my girls really ARE different, though I’m not claiming that. I think that I tend to give a miss to the girls who attract other punters because they look like sexual dynamos . Tattoos turn me away. Fake tits – no thanks. Cigarettes are a disqualifier. I tend to stay away from girls who show any aging in their faces, or who have a ‘hard’ look.
By default, I think I end up with the ones who are younger, softer, and newer in the business. They haven’t had time to pick up habits like smoking or drugs, they haven’t decided to get a tattoo yet, and they haven’t earned enough money to pay for new boobs. Whether caused by age, smoking or drug use, they haven’t developed the etched faces that are common to long term bar girls.
On top of that, I tend to be a pragmatic bastard, and unafraid to tell a girl to piss off if she pisses me off. I have a highly developed ability to just say no.
So am I saying that no girls ever hit me up for money? Hardly. But I’ve had good experiences.
Most of the requests for money that I’ve gotten have been related to housing — either a girl who needs to pay rent and doesn’t have the cash, or a girl who wants to move and can’t cover the deposit. Since I’m mostly talking about bar girls here, the solution is pretty easy. I advance them the needed cash, and they pay me back with service. win-win.
I did have a friend who was a non-bar girl who wanted to move to a new place years ago. I fronted her 30,000 baht to make the deposit and buy furniture, and agreed on a two-year repayment plan (interest free). Though all my friends had warned me that I’d never see more than the first few payments, she paid it all back on time.
I had one girl call me a couple of years ago and explain a strange story to me in which she said that 50,000 baht had ‘disappeared’ from her bank account. She was going to recover it, but she needed 15k to pay a lawyer to pursue it with the bank. Could she, she asked, borrow the money to pay the lawyer, who had to have cash in advance?
I’m not sure if she told me the truth, tho the story seemed too outlandish to be made up, and my history with the girl gave her no reason to lie to me. I loaned her the 15K, which she paid back two months later, reporting that she’d gotten all 50k returned to her bank account by the bank.
Another girl was in tears when I saw her one day about 4 years ago. Her overseas sponsor had sent her an SMS that morning telling her that he was cutting off her funds. She had, indeed, quit the bar scene, and losing her income without warning was a problem. She told me that she had no choice but to return to working in the bars, but in the meantime she had to eat & feed her two kids. I fronted her 6,000 baht, which she paid back to me about three weeks later.
I guess the key difference for me is that I live here in Bangkok. I’m not sending money to a girl from my home overseas. I handle requests on an ad-hoc basis from girls that I know, and usually I see them regularly enough that I have a very strong probability of getting repaid, either in cash or services rendered.
In addition, I spend a lot of time with non-bar girls. Girls with jobs, who enjoy going to the movies or cooking dinner at my place. Not only do these girls never ask for money, they often spend money out of their own pocket, picking up food on the way to my home or sometimes buying lunch, dinner or paying for the movie tickets.
Sorry to offer you no help in compiling your scam-list, but I’m sure there’ll be plenty of bitter stories from guys who have been less fortunate than me.
Amazingly, after 6 years in the City of Angels I’m still not jaded about bar girls, and I’m downright enthusiastic about “good” girls.
View all comments by Werewolf
Thanks for that WW. Some people don’t know when they’re being scammed
- no I am not saying you were!
Many times I was being scammed and never knew it. It’s only now I look back I realize what a fool I was.
Talking earlier to a well seasoned chap… he knew of a girl that hit up a farang with “my Brother crashed my motorcy into my buffalo”. Thus a triple header.
1) Brothers injuries.
2) Motorcy repairs
3) New Buffalo
Not sure if he paid?
View all comments by Daywalker
In some podunk bar in Phuket I once had a girl tell me “sorry mister, my bufflo died, mom is sick and brother got in a moto-cy accident…” (I had just met her) Kidding of course but I lost it on that one, too funny, bought her two beers IIRC.
I did once loan a bar girl 100$ so she could get her laptop back from the pawnshop or some ludicrous story… She was a free lancer in pattaya. Idiotic no? She actually paid me ever bit back. Never figured that chick out…
Sorry these stories have nothing to do with getting fleeced. Which only means I never even knew it when it happened… A la DW above!
View all comments by cam
C’mon guys… help me out here!!…. I am starting to think I am the only one here that got taken for a ride!!
Maybe that’s the hard truth.
- I did actually ‘lend’ the flower girl 2,000bht one time when she asked me. She said that her pal had been busted by the police and she wanted to help her out. Sounded kinda honest to me so gave her the money after she promised to pay me each day in installments of whatever she could afford.
She was true to her word. After a week when she’d given me around 1000 I let her off the rest out of sheer admiration that this young girl had kept her word.
View all comments by Daywalker
Ah, my old flower girl disguise, never fails me. Oh how I drank.
View all comments by rope-a-dope
I wish I was W/W wise but alas not. Had been caught small time on a couple of occassions early in my Thailand education period till I wised up.
However, a lass I knew intimately and very regularly for 3 years, was bored with the Thai scene and had heard great stories of riches to be made in Singapore. Needed funding. Come in WOM to the tune of 20k bht with the promise of payment out of the suitcase of expected cash on return.
Six weeks later, returned. Suitcase empty.
Obviously my intimacy did not extend to the heart as much as I thought cause first question from her was not “hello hansum man, missed you” but “I have no food or money for rent, need you to give me”.
We parted, very little contact for 2 years other than a “hi” in the street in passing on a couple times till recently when she showed up in her old bar to catchup with “the girls” just after I arrived there.
Was “happy to see you and miss you so much”. Wondered if I would like to take her for dinner and who knows what else in her mind for later.
I declined as I had been warned of a phone call made to her as soon as I entered and knew of her impending arrival and intention. I had also heard some days before her current sponsor of 2 years had dumped her about 3 months ago. Times were tough.
She was bitterly disappointed I was unavailable but would contact me later.
I did not tell her I had changed numbers since our last encounter.
Got her back…well sort of.
View all comments by Whisperingoldman
When ever I have face time with some one on this issue, I usually feel like neither one of us is being completely honest on the subject.
When I get robbed by a bar girl. Its usually just that, they rabbit ear my pockets and take my money while Im passed out and I never see them again. hahaha. Thats if they dont get caught in the act. eh hem.
I remember one girl asking for emergency rent once, back around 92? About 4K bht. (was alot then) I gave it to her. A lower Suk street walker Nana disco baby. The next week she said the same thing. I was like, what about last week? She then said. “pay every week”. I led her on for about 3 days. I was already screwing her freinds with her in the room by now. I left 3 girls in my room and went out. Then had a freind go over to the hotel and tell the security that I was in Jail, and he was there to get my things and check me out. Girls got the boot and I changed hotels. I got my 5k worth back. By the time it took for her to see me again. She didnt say anything about it. I think she knew I played her like she played me.
Im generous to the bar girls Im with as long as they are putting out the extra mile for my apetite. Since that last incident I always try to at least portray the “dont try to scam me, I know whats up” tough/smart guy attitude. Weather that works or not i dont know. But, I havent had a bar girl ask me for anything until 2008. I got an email from a girl saying she needed 5k for rent. She was very appologetic. She said I was welcome to stay with her when i was in bkk at my lesiure. I was intrigued on how I could pull this gamble off and I knew the trouble she is and I sent the money, two months later I had a couple nice threesomes & foursomes with her and her friends. her freinds got paid. But she didnt ask. I made sure I got my 5k worth. I was more than even up. I still “see” her and she hasnt asked for anything since.
I have had girls outright tell me they scam other dudes. Well they dont use the word “scam”, but you get it… When I first arrived in BKK, my buddy who had been there for about 3 years already. He said the first thing you need to know is… How do you know when a Thai girl is lying??? Becuase she is talking!!! A few times I was feeling pretty ornery and have mentioned this to a BG, man does that piss them off. I’m not bashing, its purely comical. People of any culture are equally adept at seperating fools from their money when the situation presents itself. Right?
View all comments by ROLLN
My first-ever bargirl may have tried to scam me. I’ll never know for sure. We went dancing at CM2 and later she claimed that she left her wallet with 10,000 baht in the cab that brought us from CM2 to the hotel.
Well, if it was a scam, my reaction may not have been what she was hoping for. It never crossed my mind to just fork over 10,000.
Instead, I put on my cape and transformed into Pushy American: Hell-Bent for Justice! I marched us back down to CM2, and sat with her on a bench in front and watched for our cab. Amazingly, I spotted the exact cab that we had taken hours before. We jumped in the back and I grilled and threatened the poor driver for almost an hour. He claimed no knowledge of her wallet and said some other customer must have taken it. We finally gave up and went home empty-handed.
I have to chuckle, thinking about it. What a total noob I was. Completely oblivious to the possibility of a scam (or for getting my ass kicked by a pile of cabbies – chivalry can get you hospitalized in Thailand).
I’ll never know who was in the wrong or whether I was being scammed. If the girl was scamming me, she must have been mortified (and I doubt she ever pulled that one on an American again).
View all comments by MrLucky
I love the ‘blood in the head’ one. If she said there was no blood in the head then I would have pitched in too.
In all my years and with the three of four working girls I’ve interacted with, I’ve never been scammed. Sure, I paid my first thai girlfriend 18k for her sick mom but it was at the very end of the relationship and I knew it was a lie. It was more of a divorce settlement so I figured I got off cheap. I gave it to her and bid her farewell, conscious clean.
Other than that, never scammed. Heard a bunch of stories over the years though but that doesn’t count. As for the most I’ve ever spent on a bargirl, it was 80k. That was for a boob job, hers not mine. I didn’t view that as a scam though as I did get quite a bit of pleasure from the C-cup fun bags.
View all comments by pmmp
Totally unrelated to all of these fine comments, but it looks like Scampering Jack might be making a quick, one weekend spin around Sin City. If any of y’all want to meet up, you should know how to get a hold of me. Hope to see a few of you there.
View all comments by Scampering Jack Wilshere
Interesting topic…one that I know well.
Back a few years ago when WPD and I were regulars in Pattaya/BKK…I fell for a gal that was the Queen of the Scam. She was petite…fiery…a total bitch…and I couldnt get enough.
Knowing full-well being a sponsor is for suckers, I nevertheless gave her quite a few payments for:
- apartment rent as her brother lost his job as a bouncer at Insomnia
- aparement rent (2) as her roomate went on the lam and left her high and dry
- her Mom’s shop, in Surat Thani, got knocked over…and all the inventory was stolen and she desperately needed some cash for re-stocking inventory…cheap sunglasses as it were
All-in-all, I think I may have given her a few thousand dollars…
Now..the other lines I was given…
- farang boyfriend kidnapped her baby and took him back to Germany and she needed to hire a lawyer and try to get a visa to Germany to get him back….I remember laughing so hard at this one, I actually spit up my cocktail in her face
- sick water buffalo…to this day, this is my favorite one. I love the tales of life on the farm in Isaan and wonder why no water buffalo is ever healthy?? I told the gal..maybe it is best to shoot the buffalo and at least have dinner for a few weeks
- urgent operation..when i asked the girl what the operation was…she told me, essentially, an ingrown toe nail. I loved that one…I told her I’d be happy to dig it out for her and all she had to do was give me a hummer
After all the bullshit stories…it actually becomes funny to listen to some of the bullshit tales these tarts can weave…they must be well-trained in the art of lying because they come up with some real tales.
I have a mate who is also a long-time Asian resident…and he told me about a game he and his mates used to play…he called it ‘bar girl bingo’
Bar girl bingo would have 15 or so excuses as to why they need money and the first one to get the necessary excuses was the winner…he said it makes for one hell of a good time. Rest assured, sick water buffalo is a prominent space on the Bar girl bingo board.
View all comments by Indu WangZi
@ Daywalker…
You, my friend, hit the holy grail of excuses…that is the trifecta…and that takes some skill to weave such a bullshit story…I have also heard of this…I thought it was an urban legend…sure enough.
Brother crashed my motorcy into my buffalo”. Thus a triple header.
1) Brothers injuries.
2) Motorcy repairs
3) New Buffalo
Not sure if he paid?
View all comments by Indu WangZi
pmmp,
Dude, believe me, you were scammed by that girl who scammed you into thinking she was a she
Or was that Snakewalk?
Another scam I was hit with yesterday… In that sea world place in Siam Paragon, I was presented with the Farang entrance fee of 900bht that was reduced to a 3rd of that upon presenting a business card showing a Thai business/address. Worked a charm.
You can get a Big Mango Biz card when you pop in for a drink
View all comments by Daywalker
Great topic indeed guys,
Yeah, young lady i know well went to Singapore to earn enough for Uni Fees,got a sudden text saying had to return home early as dad had a stroke…”please help me to pray” was the code. Yeah, I sent 9999bt as I heard 9 is a lucky number in LOS. Anyway heard all about dad’s special diet etc and how lucky he is to be alive and still riding his motorbike…Oh, btw visit to S’pore was for dancing only!!! ..
Must remember to pick up a BM Biz card next time I’m there,
Cheers
View all comments by Miss u
Yes, the business card or Thai driver license works in most places where there is a 2 tier entrance fee structure. Another one is for the Thai girl you are with the tell them you are her husband. Works most of the time.
View all comments by Salty
who really cares? dont we all understand the scams? isnt it all just part of the game – jusy another cost? all illusions – which are always self-justified – are soon smashed by reality. dont we all just pretend and then just righteously judge while pulling down their panties? after all, the easy thai girls are still much more fun, more sexual, more beautiful, cleaner (no stinky pussies) and sweeter than western woman and that is what is paid for – and any scams are just a type of surcharge that is willingly paid. it takes two to scam. and there are a lot of decent thai women for those who want to b serious.
View all comments by tim from oakland
@DW & Indu,
The next level of bullshitery would have to be: “my Brother crashed my bike into the buffalo while taking my Grandmother to the hospital for emergency opelation.” Call it the Grand Slam hehe…
View all comments by Datou
Had my pretty pink underpants pulled down (in the non-biblical sense) more times than I have had wet baths, but am proud to say in my 4years in BKK, not once have my counterfeight CalvinKleins been removed by a scam/hard luck story
Had a bunch of phones and cold hard cash go walkies, while comatosed in a puddle of my own (and strangers) shit, piss and stomach lining, but Ive always prided myself on being able to smell a rat. I think most of it is common fucking sense, is it not?
View all comments by Young Penfold
tfos…
As much as you are right, and we all see the scams, I was just after a list of the outrageous requests we all get so we can rely that back to our new visiting brethren.
I was scammed again today. Having a little walk around Nana with Spats, some bint persuaded us to enter into a gogo telling us of beautiful lady that would be inside.
She lied. They were fat biffers.
SCAM!!!
View all comments by Daywalker
All relationships with bar girls are economic. Whether the reasons for asking for money are legit or not, it is all just about money.
Your worker in the UK is just naive and that is the kind of visitor the bar girls love the most.
Giving him Private Dancer was a good idea, but I could not finish it because the characters in the book were just so stupid. Not that the book is not a fair reflection of some of the people here, it is just that money to bar girls is either charity or a tax on the stupid.
On the wrong side of 30 in a Pattaya bar would be hard enough to cut glass
View all comments by Professor
Having always been a “I want, what I want, when I want it” guy, the broad has never had to go into some sort of song and dance or sad story, because if I wanted it I never gave a damn what it cost. After all, if you can’t spend it, then it’s worthless paper. Passing on money to someone else when I’m gone isn’t in my play book.
Sadly, not always what I wanted at the time turned out to be worth it in the long run. Once in a while though it was worth every penny.
View all comments by THE MAN
Prof. Yep, the guy was a tad dumb. I felt as though he just didn’t believe what I was telling him. Once he’s heard it from someone else maybe the penny will drop?
I just wish there was a lady farang sex tourist here. Which are equally as dumb.
I am toying with starting a charity for ‘Bar owners without Yachts’. All donations greatly received.
View all comments by Daywalker
A good friend met a ‘good girl’ in Khao San Rd on his round the world tour in 2001. They have been on-off ever since. She works as an executive PA in a top company in Bangkok. She has a small family with only one brother. Lets take a moment here for the uninitiated to consider this fact, and these rules:
small family – good, big family – bad. When doing the due dilligence, a big family is more likely to mean more requests for cash. Common sense
sisters – good. brothers – bad. Again, ‘motorcy crashes into buffalo’ stats run much higher for male siblings than female sibs. (Figures from 2009)
Anyway, back to good-girl. In 2008, out of the blue, she rang him in UK in tears telling him she needed 40,000B to pay off Pappy’s gambling debts. I always thought him to be nobody’s fool but it took two of us and all our strength to bodily stop him from sending the cash! Didnt ask how this went down but all seems ok now.
Probably because he recently paid 80k for a boob-job!
View all comments by Hunch
Your mate got himself a boob job? Cool!
View all comments by Daywalker
A fool and his money
they say are soon parted
but that is’nt me
i’m just so good hearted
This morning she called me
at Three Twenty Five
her Mother was sick
and might not survive
“Send money now”
she pleaded through tears
I said that i would
to allay all her fears
“Is Ten Thousand enough”?
i asked to be sure
she said “make it Twenty
you know i so poor”
The girl that i love
has so much bad luck
last month her father
was hit by a truck
I sent what i could
and wished the man well
i think he’s okay
but you never can tell
When the buffalo died
she called me and cried
Western Union she thought
would be best
I sent a months pay
the very next day
she said she could wait
for the rest
My friend said he saw her
with a handsome young guy
all decked out in gold
on a new motosai
I know it’s not true
what on earth was he thinking
between me and you
i think he’d been drinking
I know that she’s waiting
to see me again
she say’s that i’m not
like most other men
I was hoping to see her
sometime in July
but i’m working all hours
just to get by
A fool and his money
well that is’nt me
like the girl said
I have “too much jai dee”
View all comments by Skytrain
A boob job? That’s an extreme measure to take to ensure the guys get you beers down the local. I guess his “me time” is a lot more fun
View all comments by rope-a-dope
@DW…
Ur a Cunny Funt….lol
View all comments by Khunkunta
I’m also fortunate in never being scammed through a spoken lie – but I think as YP commented it is pretty much common sense to spot when a lie is said – or as another commenter succinctly put it – “it’s whenever a bar girl opens her mouth”.
However I’ve been scammed a plenty in the non-spoken sense, and confess I still haven’t figured out a successful strategy around it. Basically the scam goes as follows.
FUMF on a Friday night is feeling full of testosterone and wanting to have his wicked way, heads out to Cowboy to clean out his pipes, money is not a problem and he is happy to fork-out for a quality time. A short time encounter is planned. On entering a bar he quickly spots a suitable candidate, and calls her over for a drink and assessment. She meets the attractiveness criteria, and promises all sorts of wonderful enjoyment in bed. However on entry to the short time room she instantaneously transforms in the dreaded starfish. She’s as dry as the Sahara, avoids all eye contact, and refuses to move any limbs. Pounding against a mouldy hole in the mattress probably would have given the same feeling.
As mentioned, I haven’t solved the problem, but tend to avoid it now by going to the soapy massage places instead. Perhaps since they are required to actually move around in and out of a bath with the client, the employment process weeds out the “non-movers”?
View all comments by FUMF
Skytrain…awesome poem.
Are you calling it…”Ode to a Buffalo”?
View all comments by Indu WangZi
@ DW and R-A-D: Scoff all you want. But, you’ll never know how good it feels to have your best bud sat next to you, fondling his D-cup, as you cruise at 30,000ft over Afghanistan…
View all comments by Hunch
Scams? Whoever thought those paragons of virtue would try such a thing.
Though I have paid for breakfast on the odd occassion. Bought a few lady drinks as well.
View all comments by Wombat
Thankfully, I’ve never had my best bud sitting next to me fondling himself over Afghanistan.
I have however, had YP sitting next to me as I urinated on the top deck of a bus driving through Piccadilly Circus if that’s any sort of comparison?
View all comments by Daywalker
One time I rented a car and headed north out of Bangkok with my new girl to look for a buffalo for her parents. I was thinking just a small buffalo. Then she changed her mind and wanted cash instead. Easier to send, she said. I guess it was naive of me to think we could’ve stuffed a small buffalo into the back seat of the rental…
View all comments by Soi Dog
Ummmm…Daywalker,what actual work were the lads performing on you..??
View all comments by Khunkunta
They were installing a vomit bowl installed in my bathroom.
View all comments by Daywalker
Skytrain
I’ve heard your tale told many times, but never quite as well as you have put yours together. Well done!!!!!
View all comments by THE MAN
Thanks InduWangZi and The Man for your comments.I believe that if you spend enough time with the girls in Thailand you’re going to get scammed at some point whether we like to admit it or not,myself included.Its all part of the game.Though i would like to add that my poem is not autobiographical.
View all comments by Skytrain
Werewolf tells: “Amazingly, after 6 years in the City of Angels I’m still not jaded about bar girls, and I’m downright enthusiastic about “good” girls.”
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Bravo, indeed! I personally believe that it’s not punters being jaded about bar girls, but rather only jaded and miserable punters develop these opinions of all the girls (probably a huge overlap to those who think that *all* white girls are fat and ugly).
View all comments by RealDaffyDuck
FUMF wonders: “As mentioned, I haven’t solved the problem”
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Have you tried losing weight?
View all comments by RealDaffyDuck
RDD: You’ve obviously never met FUMF!
View all comments by Werewolf
i was making a reference to his avatar.
View all comments by RealDaffyDuck
DW: I think you meant: whenever anyone’s out in a bar with YP, at some point during the night he will be fondling himself. Usually in full view of the whole bar! Oh yes and he has a knack of being robbed at knifepoint by unscrupulous taxi drivers.
View all comments by Arka
WW: I don’t think they would DARE scam someone your size
View all comments by Arka