Economics 101, tipping bargirls and the power of a free market economy by Tusk
Posted by Tusk | Blog, Reader Submissions | Posted on November 6th, 2010
I think back to my university days and Business 101. My instructor introduced us to the concept of supply and demand, which was supposed to be the basic driver of our capitalist economy, and talked about ideas like informed markets and rational decisions. This was hardly a new concept to me, of course. My father was a right-wing, old-school, free-market capitalist who had taught me about the beauty of supply and demand from my days in the cradle.
For all that my old man admired the beauty of supply and demand theory, some other people see flaws in it.
The immediate problem, of course, is that people often appear to behave irrationally in supply and demand situations, and two buyers faced with the same exact product may have completely different ideas about the value of the product — that is, how much they are willing to pay for it.
On the face of it, this seemed to argue against rational decision making; after all, if the decision making were rational, both buyers should place identical values on the product.
And this is where my dad introduced a concept that my impressionable young mind thought was pretty brilliant. He talked about utils of value. Basically, this was an effort to quantify the unquantifiable by allowing each buyer to increase or decrease the perceived value of the product depending on individual circumstances.
To take a fairly silly example, a glass of tap water should have value of close to zero; after all, you can get tap water free at any water fountain. A rational purchaser wouldn’t pay much, if anything, for a glass of water.
But change the circumstances. Imagine that the man has something caught in his throat, or he has just eaten a spicy Thai chili, or he is on the verge of dying from dehydration, and suddenly a glass of tap water might seem very valuable to him. The number of utils represented by that glass of water would be very high indeed.
My old man also used an example where the number of utils of value for a product dropped as the buyer’s circumstances changed. His example was beer. Imagine, said Pop, that you go out on Friday evening after a long day at work. You order a beer. It tastes fantastic! It’s refreshing and welcome. From the very first sip it increases your happiness dramatically, and you find yourself getting loose and happy as you drink it. That first beer is jam-packed full of utils.
As you continue buying bottles of beer and drinking them, however, you pass a point where the amount of refreshment and satisfaction you get from each successive beer starts to fall. As you begin to find your stomach bloated and you mind fuzzy from beer you become less interested in one more beer. The number of utils that you assign to each new bottle begins to fall. Finally, at some point, you realize that you’ve had enough. You don’t need more beer and you don’t want more beer. You’re done for the night. You may even go home without finishing the bottle of beer in front of you. The utils assigned to that next beer have fallen to zero. There’s probably nothing on earth that could make you drink one more beer.
That first beer was such a joy to drink, the last one such a chore; utils were explained to young boy in a highly effective manner, and the laws of supply and demand became just a bit clearer.
Of course this business education from my dear old dad was pretty fucking simplistic, but I grew up understanding one notion that has stayed with me all my life; that is, a thing is worth what someone will pay for it, if there is another person willing to sell it at that price.
The most basic business concept in the world — the law of supply and demand.
I was shocked, then, when I moved to Thailand and found out that many people don’t believe in this law. Some people adopt the idea of “absolute value”, which is the idea that there is a set price that a thing is worth. Anytime the actual price paid is not the same as the absolute value, someone is getting ripped off. If the price paid is too high, the seller was ripped off. If it is too low, the buyer was ripped off.
To me this seemed, and still seems, a strange concept, coming as I do from the relativistic world of supply and demand and its marriage to utils and unique circumstance.
The “absolute value” guys first cut into me a couple of years ago when I posted a comment on another web forum. I had taken a Chiang Mai bar girl home for the night. We had left her bar around closing time, and she stayed at my place till after sunrise, meaning that we had about five hours together, and I blew my load two or three times. I talked about the experience on a web board and said that I had tipped the girl 1,000 baht when she left in the morning.
There was a comment posted almost immediately by another forum reader who called me a “cheap bastard”. I had ripped the poor girl off. I should have, he said, paid the girl more.
I was a bit stunned when I read his comment.
I mean, the girl wasn’t unhappy with the tip. She smiled when I gave it to her, she gave me her phone number and invited me to call her again anytime. I figured that the laws of supply and demand had been followed and that Adam Smith was somewhere looking down at me, smiling and nodding.
Apparently, at least one guy felt otherwise; that the gods of “absolute value” had not been appeased.
As I said, that was a couple of years ago. I’ve since moved from Chiang Mai to Bangkok, and I’ve enjoyed getting to know the night life in the capital city.
Last week I was talking to a pal of mine while we were traveling across town in his car. I told him about a stunning girl that I’d barfined and banged at the short time hotel the night before. Actually, I wasn’t exaclty telling him the story, since he’d been with me at the bar when I barfined her. In fact, he’d even waited for me to come back from the short time hotel, and we’d continued drinking together afterward. What I was doing now, in his car, was filling in the details of the night before.
“I gave her 2,000 baht”, I told him.
“Fuck man, you shouldn’t have done that. You got ripped off!”
Well, here was an interesting twist. In Chiang Mai I’d been a cheap bastard while here in Kreung Thep I was the victim.
I asked my pal how he figured that I got ripped off. To me, getting ripped off means getting cheated or lied to. In other words, getting ripped off is not getting what you expected to get for the price paid. Paying a premium above market price — as long as it is done “eyes open” — is perfectly acceptable. It’s simply a sign that, on that given night, you valued the girl in question as worthy of a premium.
My friend saw it very differently.
“Two thousand short time is too much,” he said. “When guys pay too much, the girls start to think that they can get away with overcharging, and then they want everyone to pay that price. There’s such a thing as the right price, and everyone should pay it.”
Now, I wasn’t unsympathetic to his argument. Guys who enter the market and pay premium rates probably do drive up prices, and may even force some buyers out of the market. Perhaps my expansive mood and 2,000 baht tip are part of a greater trend that will end up costing my friend in terms of paying more baht or losing opportunities, but that seems to me to simply be free market in play.
I told him as much.
He didn’t agree.
Basically, his argument came down to the idea that the sexual services offered by bargirls have an intrinsic value. He stated that go go dancers get more than beer bar girls (my 2,000 baht flutter had been on a mere beer bar girl, not a dancer) and that pretty girls get more than their fat or plain-faced cousins.
I’d tipped too much, he insisted.
I’d been ripped off and I was spoiling the game for everyone else.
Sitting in his car I actually told him that he should stop talking right away, because he was embarrassing himself. Really, I did. I used those exact words.
He seemed unimpressed with my point of view.
I believe that the bar girl market is a beautiful example of supply and demand in action. My pal is equally convinced that it is an “absolute value” system where there are known values, and those values should be respected.
I can enumerate a lot of reasons why I think his idea is just a bunch of hooey:
First of all, who establishes the right price? Is it my pal? Me? Some board of bar-girl trustees? I mean, really… who decides?
Next, who decides which girls are beautiful and which ones aren’t? This same friend had pointed out a go go dancer to me about three weeks ago, saying that she was his favorite. He’d barfined her several times in the past and he said she was a stallion in bed. In addition, he figured she had a lovely face and the most perfect tits in the world.
What did I think of her? he wanted to know.
I answered him with complete honesty, saying that the first word that came to mind when I saw the girl was “repulsive”. She was fat and ugly. She had stuck her fat ass in front of my face and wiggled it around earlier in the evening when she was dancing and I’d physically moved away from her because I thought she was gross.
My pal thinks she’s the hottest girl on Soi Cowboy; I think she’s a pig. Who’s right?
And then, when we think about “absolute value” versus supply and demand, there’s the question of circumstances. My 2,000 baht short time girl, for example, seemed special to me. Tall, with great tits and a beautiful face, I’d been in her bar a bunch of times and I thought she was hot. I’d tried to barfine her once before but another customer had beaten me to the punch. My anticipation level — the desire to get her bra off and see those magnificent tatas, then to squeeze myself between her thighs — was really high. I didn’t feel any need to negotiate the fee. I wanted to bang the girl. She said 2,000 baht and I was fine with that.
And, in general, there are other factors that can come into play as well. On any given night it may be that you haven’t been laid in a month and the utils you assign to a girl who’ll break your dry spell is huge. On another night you may have just had your knob polished by a Lolitas girl, and the util assignment drops to an all time low.
Or you might value a girl’s specific characteristics. You love tattoos or you hate ‘em. You think that white skin deserves a premium, or you prefer mahogany. You’re a tit man, a leg man or an ass man. You adore the six pack on a girl who works out daily or you prefer your women soft and cuddly. You long for bleached blond hair and multiple body piercings or you dream about a girl with long thick black hair and that ‘girl-next-door’ personality.
I could go on, but I won’t.
The idea that there is an “absolute value” strikes me as hogwash. I am inclined to think that the supply and demand model that my father taught me is the one that applies to Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza, Patpong, the rest of the Bangkok pay for play scene and p4p across all of Thailand as well.
That doesn’t mean that there aren’t outliers. Daywalker likes to say (brag?) on this blog that he always tips girls 5,000 baht, then expects their performance to live up to the tip. Is he, like the Japanese guys who seem to always be willing to pay more than the rest of us, spoiling things for the other guys?
Maybe.
Maybe not.
There’s a website called Bangkok Bargirls that has been around for years. They have an interesting tool on that website, called the Short Time Calculator.
The goal of the calculator isn’t quite as lofty as identifying the Absolute Value for bargirl short time services. Rather, it aims to identify the typical price paid, while acknowledging a few variables like which area of town the girl works in, whether she is a dancer, a beer bar girl or a free lancer, how “hot” she is, and how appealing (or unappealing) the monger is who paid her.
You can check the results for yourself, but basically the key result is that the average price of a short time is around 1,400 baht. I don’t think that’s a surprise. The calculator carries a lot of historical data, and there might be a lot of info that might make this an unreliable figure, but I’m guessing that it indicates that most guys are paying around 1,500 baht for a short time, a fair percentage pay around 1,000 baht, and a few people pay around 2,000 baht.
The friendly folks at Bangok Bar Girls also spent a little time analyzing their data and providing some commentary. Here’s a sample of what they had to say:
Bar location
There is not much (if any) difference in going rates at Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. Nowadays, the average paid seems to be between 1400 and 1500 baht for short-time. In practice this means than anything between 1000 and 2000 baht seems reasonable, depending on age, attractiveness, appeal etc.
Bar size
Taking a girl out of a big sized bar will cost you about 200 baht more than taking her out of a small sized bar. Having shows in a bar, also tends to increase the price, but to a lesser extent.
Day and time of day
During weekdays, prices in general are about 100-200 days cheaper than during the weekend. Any day, before closing time there is a slight drop in prices of about 50-100 baht on average.
Girl looks
When dividing into good looking, average looking and unattractive women the results are similar, but less pronounced. A lot of punters assert having taken out ‘stunning’ women (about 30% of the total), which proves that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but makes it difficult to use beauty as an objective determinant of the price settled.
Girls work
Girls who perform shows seem to ask about 300 baht more on average than girls who do not. Dancing naked, with or without tops, does not seem to have a great effect. Girls coming from Isaan are generally satisfied with less money than girls from Central area (Bangkok) or ChiangMai.
Customer age
There is no substantial difference in prices paid by young, middle aged or older men.
Customer looks
Being quite obese, makes for a substantially increased chance of having to pay more for services. Being handsome, or average looking can save you a few baht. Interestingly, there is no penalty for being bald, and results up to now indicate that bald people do not pay more than people who consider themselves handsome (quite a lot of customers do!!)
Men wearing shorts, pay about 200 baht on average more, than men who do not, while people in business suits tend to pay less.
Customer nationality
No big differences here, although the few Japanese men who participated paid more than average.
Language spoken
Being able to speak Thai (not specified how good) will save you about 100 baht. The few people who stated not communicating a lot with their partner, paid substantially more than average.
Touching, groping
To early to make a definite and interesting statement here. However, it looks like touching the breasts of your partner, seems to have a beneficial effect on the financial interaction (in favor of the provider)
To me, the short time calculator supports the idea that, while prices may revolve around a known and generally accepted “fair value”, the actual price paid is clearly a product of supply and demand, with lots of factors thrown in that tend to increase or decrease the number of “utils” assigned to the transaction by both the buyer and the seller, and prices will vary.
So, was I a cheap bastard when I paid 1,000 baht to the Chiang Mai beer bar girl for 5 hours of hedonistic pleasure, or did I get ripped off when I dropped 2,000 baht for 20 minutes with a Bangkok Bar Girl?
Well, like Goldilocks, I think that the amount I paid in each case was “just right”.
There is no such thing as “absolute value” when it comes to tipping bar girls.
Every monger and every “entertainment provider” will weigh up each encounter and try to maximize their “utils”. The mountain of factors that go into establishing the final price may well include whether the girl has filled her quota yet and whether she has enough money to buy lunch or pay her rent tomorrow, but in the end, the amount offered and accepted is often just the amount that “feels right” to two people trying to complete the sale of human flesh in a neon palace on a rainy Wednesday night in South East Asia.
Just two people doing the best they can.
Offer and acceptance. I reckon my old man, if he were still alive, would be proud to see such a beautiful example of a free market economy.
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Agree that there is no absolute value however there is a going rate. This is the price that most girls ask for and it is usually 2,000 baht ST on Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. Paying for instance twice or 3 times the going rate could be considered as a rip-off, whatever the value you reckon.
But I also noticed that several punters consider that a price is too high just because they are not willing to pay that much and in addition they want others to consider their own maximum price as the fair price everyone should pay. Your friend seems to be one of those.
View all comments by SukPsycho
Interesting (but long) read. Two points in your example
1. Supply and Demand works both ways with the girls which does not work with the beer example. That is sometimes the girls are on the demand side (the buyer) depending on their individual needs at the time. Getting near rent time and no tourists (supply) then price will fluctuate downward. I see this scenerio take place in certain locations with Non-pro’ legit working girls who have to make a car payment
2. Yes Eco 101 is basic. But grad school Mar 603 teaches “Buyer Behavior” which might be an even more valid concept in a free market
Really appreciate the quality of your posted topic maybe there is some hope to get this blog back to its previous heights
View all comments by 8 Ball
Here’s my take on paying the girls, when I first arrived in Thailand the going price was 100.00 baht all night and the rate was 20 to the dollar, but I have always thought like this, ” I want, what I want, when I want it” and I don’t give a damn what it costs. A few times it has turned out not what I thought it would be, not up to my expectations, but who cares, it’s my money and I wanted it. That’s all that counts. So unless some of you are going to volunteer to pay for my fun and games, what I decide to pay is up to me, Krup!
View all comments by THE MAN
Tusk = Paul Krugman?????
(good read but i like econ so i’m biased…;))
View all comments by cam
Wrong! Price is not determined by supply and demand. It’s determined by how many dollars the monkey Ben Bernanke keeps in the basement of the NY Fed is told to print. He’s a busy little fucker, that monkey.
Tipping is a particularly interesting market as it’s supposed be a purely performance based fee, so it SHOULD vary quite a bit, assuming the service varies quite a bit, which I think it usually does.
Carry on.
View all comments by Scampering Jack Wilshere
Sounds like your friend values more that a girl is cheap, than good looking – judging by your experience with his repulsive fat stallion, I bet she’s cheap as well, and he doesn’t care about the same values you (or I) care about.
Personally, I ignore those kind of cheap charlie goofballs (particularly when they have zero taste in girls’ looks).
I think the economic truth is somewhere in the middle – there are some absolute values attached to the girls, but those are more or less guidelines.
I generally consider a tip a compensation for time spent — thus, I usually never pay under 1,500 for ST, and I’ve paid anywhere from 2,000 to 5,000 for LT (5,000 being a lonely singular exception).
In the end, I go by three guidelines:
- all things being equal, I prefer the best quality for the same amount.
- I want what I want, and hence I will pay what *I* think it’s worth.
- quality fabrics!
View all comments by RealDaffyDuck
Seriously I thought this was a monger website what the f***. Lay off the education and start reporting S*** otherwise quit jesus bring back canadian boy at least he reported on his f**kin efforts.
View all comments by Jake
Nice!
But we have to make a differentiation between a local and a tourist.
A local has time to analyze the market, a tourist is limited (money, time).
Now when in Thailand as a tourist, like me, I face a certain problem:
- there IS a going rate
- I don’t want to negotiate, afraid this might affect performance, turning a hopefully existing affection into cold business
- You don’t know the value … looks is only a small part of a good adventure
And not only growing supply lowers value, also the time and experience does. My first time in Thailand I felt like a child in a candy shop and price was no discussion … it was cheep anyhow. With time this changes … for me it was going for the lookers … and now it’s the looks + performance that defines value.
- Problem 1: it’s easy to spot a looker (according to your taste), but how do you spot performance?
Right now I live in Mexico and made my experiences. And it is the same here. There is a going rate. So you go for looks. And if you want to have a good performance, you need to invest, repeating with the same girl, be nice and gain her trust. A starfish turns into a happy girl and then hopefully into an animal in bed. But this only works 1 out of 3 or 5 times.
- Problem 2: I don’t want to invest 3 sessions with one girl, risking loosing it all on a limited time budget. And even if you find that good looking performer … do that in Thailand with that huge menu on every corner?
So there is that dilemma: the thrill of the chase, the excitement of a possible amazing surprise and the certainty that it will get more difficult for you every time you come to visit Thailand again. So … how do I optimize performance with a going rate to improve the value for me?
My two cents
View all comments by Brazoo
erm, am I spoiling it for the rest of you? No… just making the time better for me!
The girls who I ‘spoil’ slightly always greet me like I am a superstar! Which for me, was well worth the original investment!
View all comments by Daywalker
What a well structured post ! The conclusions became somewhat academic because it was such an enjoyable read – props !
I think it’s useful to know what people pay on average – with that as a baseline you can then pay according to your experience
View all comments by doctorbond
1k phuket.
1k pattaya.
2k bangkok.
simple shit really, why complicate?
View all comments by Maz
Hmm, stylistically here, I’m reminded of another, long lost site contributor. Can anyone guess who it is?
View all comments by Combover
Most of the time i dont even bother to discuss prices, unless the girl brings it up. When its over it ranges from brushing her off and closing the door in her face, on up to 3000 baht and all other party expenses on me. When a girl does give me a price I always respond with 1000 less, “almost” everytime they smile & say ok. I tipped Eden girls 500 for some serious extra effort a few times.
My one guilty pleasure is buying drinks for too many the girls in gogos. Some say thats a sucker move too but I know the more the merrier. Im trying have a good time, fuck it.
I was in Pattaya once and heard this guy tell another guy I knew he paid 5000 last night. The first guy was a current local and quickly reached for him, he was so pissed. I sat nearby giggling.
View all comments by ROLLN
Jake:
On a “mongers’ website” I’d think that a discussion of “how much” is appropriate. I’m surprised that you don’t. The link to the short time calculator at the bottom of the post seems to me to be a valuable link. The body of the post discussed sex with at least three girls: the Chiang Mai girl, my beer bar beauty and my friend’s go go dancer. Perhaps there simply weren’t enough gooey details for you.
Personally, while I’m sure Canadian Boy is a grand fellow, I found his writing to be unreadable for the most part, which proves nothing except that you and I judge blog posts by different standards. I’m sure there’s nothing at all stopping CB (or YOU for that matter) from writing up a blog and sending it in for everyone’s enjoyment.
Sorry you didn’t like this particular post; I put a lot of effort into it, and I thought it was pretty good.
Hopefully we’ll be hearing from Young Penfold soon. I’m dying to find out how things went with his MILF… er… mother’s visit. He was promising some sex reports in his next post, so I’m sure you’ll look forward to that. Something to on the blog to please both of us!
In the meantime, if you can’t wait to read someone else’s sex reports, just grab a copy of the Penthouse Forum.
View all comments by Tusk
Tusk, thanks for giving all of us a chance to refine our financial and procreative acumen. Your old man was brilliant, and his explanation of economics correct. The entertainment industry is a good example supply and demand deciding price. If you don’t believe it, watch what happens to prices if supply or demand goes bonkers. Imagine Bangkok hosting the FIFA World Cup and you get the idea. To those of you living in the LOS, yes, utility is a good measure of value. But to those of us who are visitors, (Japanese included) utility be damned. For us a better measure of value is opportunity cost. With limited time we will pay a premium to avoid opportunity lost.
View all comments by Re-Pete
Tusk my apologies.
View all comments by Jake
Apologies?!
No apologies necessary… You’ve got an opinion and you expressed it. Personally I think that’s grand! Make it entertaining – tell me to fuck off.
In any event, I’ll try to work more sex reporting in if I ever get to post here again.
(Actually, I already submitted another blog — a go go report — but the bad news was I didn’t get laid on the night so no actual gooey sex on offer in the blog. I don’t know yet whether the guy in charge here is gonna post it. Even if he does, it’s definitely not as colorful as Canadian Boy’s descriptions. I’m a more simple minided guy.)
View all comments by Tusk
All jokes aside,reminded me of conversations passed with my ‘accountant’ father….
All very relevent to the site and monger’s alike,I reckon!!
Party on!!
View all comments by KhunKunta
Actually I think this post is very simplistic; it should have emphasized trade based on the comparative advantage of buyers and sellers with very different characteristics, as well as incorporating economies of scale in production and a preference for diversity in consumption.
When there are economies of scale in production in the P4P model, it is possible that mongers may become ‘locked in’ to disadvantageous patterns of trade. Nonetheless, trade remains beneficial in general, even between similar sex partners, because it permits bars to save on costs by producing at a larger, more efficient scale, and because it increases the range of girls available and sharpens the competition between them.
As the Nobel Prize Committee commented recently when giving me the award in Economic Sciences: “”By having integrated economies of scale into explicit general equilibrium models, Paul K has deepened our understanding of the determinants of trade and the location of economic activity, especially with regard to the dynamic modeling of financial transactions in the beer bars and go go bars of Thailand and other parts of South East Asia.”
I believe that places me in the position of being the leading scholar in the field of monger purchasing behavior, with particular emphasis on the impact of time on decision making, opportunity cost and the nuances of giving great blow jobs.
If the Big Mango Blog wants to claim preeminence as a mongers’ site with any substantial credibility, it really needs to raise its game, and discontinue the publishing of such poorly researched papers relying on anecdotal evidence and non-random surveys written at a sixth grade level and, instead, focus on the development of legitimate economic research.
View all comments by Paul K
I never discuss price. If the topic is brought up, fantastic, because I know it will be a terrible lay. One of many reasons I hate Patpong style mamasans.
I pay a fair price for the type of girls I get, and the same for each and every girl since I only bother to pull from soi Cowboy gogos. Girls talk, and I think it a terrible idea for your regular girls to get pissed at you because you thought some other girl was worth 500 Baht more than them.
View all comments by Hugh N
Can’t think of a worthier debate on this blog than the one laid out by Tusk.
Supply and Demand is the classic dynamic. But also, don’t the Thais buck the rules by INCREASING prices when business is bad? Their rationale being: recoup losses from a diminishing customer-base rather than set prices to attract increasing numbers. I worried about this before my recent visit a month ago, but thankfully found it not to be the case (at least this time). You’ve also got the Japanese punter in the mix to skew things further. Their mindset is to splash down more bones for reasons of altruism, vanity, conflict-avoidance (or whatever else.
Personally, I dont discuss prices either. As a go-go nut, I might pay a premium but I stick to:
ST – 2000, LT – 2500, 3000. Lose 200-500 in Pattaya
With these prices, I find there’s never any hassle at the checkout – and thats a bonus you cant…er…buy right? Zero-hassle philandering
If a girl asks for an amount up front though, it changes things, depending on my needs. I dont enter protracted discussions, I find a quick decision avoids the dreaded ‘pissy moods’ from either party.
Some great bargains still to be had. I picked up an ex-Angel Witch cutie in NP car-park. ‘ST 1000′ she said. Her feet didnt even get to touch the ground….
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Fuck off then
View all comments by Jake
Fuck off then, feel better
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View all comments by Tusk
What you all seem to be missing here is the Big Picture. My days of whoring are finished, but when I did it, I did it with Christian zeal and thoroughness over a reasonable period of time (a couple of years) which allowed me to forget about individual transactions, and if I was being ripped off or not. Sometimes yes, sometimes no, it doesn’t matter when you see the whoring budget as an investment over a period of time. It averages out to whatever it averages out to, and if I was to “do the math” I’m sure that, compared to my second marriage, it’s the bargain of a lifetime. Putting it into this perspective is a good trick if you can manage it when you’re doing it – I didn’t get bitter about the few times I was ripped off, and I never felt I was “getting it wrong”, even when, by others’ standards, I was.
The same thing with their beauty or desirability – some of the best times I had were with girls I wouldn’t have picked up had I been thinking in terms of beauty-for-the-buck. And some of the emptiest fucks were with perfect dolls who only looked like they were in bed with me. Don’t get hung up on individual encounters, and value for money. Whoring is like surfing, or should be. Waves come and go.
View all comments by Pants Elk
Paul K:
I’d kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.
View all comments by Batanha
@Pants Elk….
“What you all seem to be missing here is the Big Picture. My days of whoring are finished, but when I did it, I did it with Christian zeal and thoroughness over a reasonable period of time (a couple of years) which allowed me to forget about individual transactions, and if I was being ripped off or not….”
As I said to Penfold,I hope you were pitching and NOT catching!!!!
Fuk me,I’d hate gettin 1o bt for a catch….now that’s gettin Ript!!
View all comments by KhunKunta
Nonsense. You cannot use an economic model for whoring. Way too much nuance, inconsistency and it’s not exactly the most generic product in the world. Also, research?? most people are pissed when they make the transaction which counters credibility. Average girls sometimes blow you like the elixir of life is inside your dickhole, hot girls sometimes lie there like a sack of potatoes and refuse to give you a happy mouth finish, and vice versa. Sometimes you bang girls for free, sometimes you pay over the odds. Learn the ins and outs and carry on…..
Pants Elk said it better
View all comments by Barfine Warrior
Maybe I shouldn’t confess to this, but I once tipped a Mamasan
1,000 baht for an “arm wave”. That was followed by a 500 baht
tip to a burly ladyboy on lower Suk for almost ripping my arm off.
100 baht each for vendors that hog the sidewalks. But that was
when the dollar was stronger…
View all comments by Soi Dog
Supply and demand be damned. Absolute value be damned.
Those theories are strictly for the laytourist: the zombies that clap enthusiastically in hopes that Tinkerbell will live!
Of course, I cannot give all of the secrets away, but one of the biggest points missed in this economic discourse is that these bargirls are THAI. And that, by consequence, spoils many ideas of rational thought, tossing out logic and in turn destroying price points, while introducing principles of economic fortuity.
This will all make sense the first time you witness a bargirl who’s just fined herself for a punter. While this isn’t rare, it does tell me one thing, everything and nothing are on the table at all times. I love the complexity of Thai women, and I respect that everyone enjoys a free meal now and again.
View all comments by a jello mould with Down's syndrome
@ Brazoo
Sorry, I’m posting late. I went back to the U.S. for a couple weeks. I’m living in Mexico too. Do you know of any sites similar to this one for mongers stationed (more or less) permanently here?
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