Thailand P2P: different or same? by Voyager
Posted by voyager | Blog, Reader Submissions | Posted on February 5th, 2010
Reading and hearing all the colorful stories here and elsewhere one may get the impression that the Thai P2P scene is way different from that in the West. All the drama, the crazy girls, falling (or pretending) in love, emotions, scenes, certainly not the usual escort experience back in USA or Europe! However, I wonder if this is really the typical experience here, or if it is just the selection effect (nobody would bother post or tell stories about the normal, boring P2P sex). I had experience with P2P both in the West and here in Thailand and my own observation is that it is not that different apart from the much lower price and easier accessibility.
Just to give the readers some context, I am 40s, average looking, single, have a very nice penthouse and a car here in Bangkok. I’ve been here several years and speak passable Thai. Over this time I must have bedded well over 100 girls, about 80% P2P and the rest normal or semi-normal girls (I put g club girls in the semi-normal category). You would think that I would be a prime target for the girls who are supposedly looking to hook a bf, sponsor, or some other scheme. However my experience with P2P girls here has been remarkably free of any drama. They all seem to be quite professional, both in a good and bad way, overall not that different from the escorts back in the West except for the price.
I go to a gogo bar or MP, pick a girl, chat her up a little, head to the room or back to my condo, as the case may be, have sex, pay her, tip well if I am pleased, and then she leaves. Sometimes we exchange phone numbers but I’ve never had a girl call or sms me without me contacting her first. In each of my favorite places I will have 3-4 regular girls, but I am just as likely to pick a fresh one if something catches my eye, and I never get any attitude from my regulars about butterflying. Occasionally if I really like a P2P girl and she looks somewhat presentable I will ask her to go with me for dinner or to a club, which most of the time they decline, either because they are not getting paid for the time or they prefer to keep things professional, just as the escorts back home. In some cases we do end up hanging out and sometimes even become sort of friends, but I never had any of them make any emotional claims on me or pull anything crazy or neurotic.
So I wonder if my experience is the more typical one?
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first i need 2 say i have not been with a p2p outside LOS and never had wanted 2,,, did not feel right,,,,lol so at my first time in LOS was i sure that ill never do that (been 2 reberbahn 4 party, many many times without and have seen some stunners with cheap prices, but as said! a no go) but first night out first club (chicago, patong,,,, closed now,, so looooong time ago) did i leave my farang ex, and whent home with a little p2p,,, i knew what she was,,, but it feelt: fun, good and was hot,,,, in fact, of the now many p2p´s i have been with, have all but a few fun and good sex,,, ofcause the have been starfish (less than 5),,,, so i guess from what i hear from friends do the thai(a guess pinoy) p2p differ from europe/us
BUT keep it there,,,, seen 2many farang/bargirl breakups,,, 95% fail i belive,,, so keep it in LOS or AC tip with good service and have FUN,,,
cheers
View all comments by Thedane
I thought this was a story about Peer to Peer (P2P) file sharing, not Pay for Play (P4P) girl sharing….
View all comments by Pattaya Ghost
I think it has a lot to do with your attitude and expectations. If u give the girls a BFE (boyfriend experience) u r more likely to get a GFE. Just IMHO.
View all comments by Phuket&C
Perhaps a big part of it is that the girls know you live in town, speak thai, and are a player. Therefore they don’t even start in on the whole “hook a sponsor” routine because they want their sponsors to go back home and send money.
View all comments by Datou
I only use P2P when I want to quickly bust a nut on a whim. I always have a steady gf, and I would be way to embarassed to be seen out with a P2P girl. So MANY nice real girls in BKK and the places I go and people I hang with it would be a huge loss of face to drag around some bargirl. P2P are just like background , they are just there to play with on the sly..not to be taken seriously. I have a nice aptartment suite in a well known building connected to a shopping center. I drive a new Camary. I am far from extravagant, but I can do anything I want without asking the price. I am a few years (not many) younger than Voyager and it seems from his self description that he lives a similar lifestyle to mine -his thai is probably better than mine..I can;t understand why he lives the P2P lifestyle..it seems like that is just a lonely existence..I almost always have my gf with me..a transaction based relationship just wouldnt cut it for me emotionally or sociallly. I reccomend Voyager try chatting up a University student or a forienger (Jap or Korean etc) to have a real relationship and just use the P2P girls when he wants to bust a nut on a whim.
View all comments by spermacide
BTW, love the new look on the blog but facebook links??? are you nuts? You know how easy it is find comments via FB etc on search engines? The farang blog had a feel of this is between us. Now it’s going to end up all over the internet and people will hold back on comments and submissions.
View all comments by Datou
@Datou: It depends on how you use FB. Personally, I think FB is evil and would never share things from certain sites to my main FB wall, but if you have multiple FB accounts, one of those accounts it might make sense to share. Different FB identies for your different web identities, if you so choose.
View all comments by pmmp
I’ve shared some of the (non-tawdry) stuff I’ve written on my FB page.
View all comments by Pattaya Ghost
@sperma: Wow! You used the word “I” fifteen times in that short paragraph. What a catch you must be.
View all comments by Combover
@sperma
Just to clarify, I do also date normal girls here, and just use P2P for sex fun. So I am actually quite happy to avoid drama and keep things professional. I just made the post as a comment on the P2P scene in Bkk because I am curious to see what other people think and if my experience is a typical one.
BTW I think even with “normal” uni/office girls here some financial help is expected, unless she comes from a well to do family or has a well paid professional job.
I also have a camry.. nice car
View all comments by voyager
Can we stop saying P2P please?
View all comments by Young Penfold
This is the term in common use across the world. Of course we can say “prostitutes” or “whores” or “hookers”, or “hoes”, or “working girls”. Everyone can use whatever term they prefer. Unless there some new policy against discussing paid sex on this blog
View all comments by voyager
Holy shit the blogs been taken over by people saying P2P instead of P4P.
What’s worse is these Hi-so wannabes are spreading their Camry love
over the interweb. Only in Thailand could a Camry be considered a cool car, probably because you pay twice as much as you would in the US but think of all the “face” your gaining. When the red team get their act together anyone driving a Camry will be torched first if they haven’t already crashed and burned due to a sticky accelerator pedal.
View all comments by Wentworth
LOL… I would never claim that camry is a hi-so car, is just a nice practical run-around car and a good value given the crazy taxes here. In fact one reason I got it was to keep a low profile. Now I get teased by my friends for being so cheap. Oh well… I used to own a 911 back home but here it is like 10mm baht and attracts too much attention.
As for you comment wishing that I get “torched”, well thanks for good wishes, I suppose no blog is free of hate…
View all comments by voyager
Excuse me, but the term used all around the civilized world is P4P. Of course if your trying to save face among your HI-SO friends, well P2P might be a HI-SO term but only in a very small circle. I may add that some of the so called HI-SO honeys are not really that hot, in fact some of the P4P ladies beat them hands down, yes even in the daylight.
View all comments by The Man
Ok..ok.. lets just say “PxP” where x=any number you want
The original purpose of my post was to describe my own experience and to ask about people’s views on the nightlife here. Since no one seems interested except in making personal attacks it is better to end this thread.
good luck
View all comments by voyager
I don’t think it matters how I use FB, it matters how others use FB. If my comment gets posted by someone else then BAM I’ll show up if someone searches for me. Now I have to change my name to hope to preserve any privacy. Bad call in my humble opinion.
View all comments by Datou
@ Voyager – My experiences tally with yours. Maybe the girls quickly recognize that I am tight with money & only part with it on a performance base.
But a Camry. Really. I had a V6 version nearly 20 years ago. Then they were a good car. A Hiroshima screamer. Preferred it to the Merc. Now they are a turd with 4 wheels.
View all comments by Wombat
LOL. It is amazing but it seems that people here seem more passionate about cars than about the girls
Camry is certainly not great in performance, underpowered for its size, soft suspension, vague steering. But is very comfortable, quiet, well designed, and (so far) trouble free. Of course I use a driver most of the time so maybe thats why the weak performance does not bother me as much.
View all comments by voyager
The Man said:
Thank you. I thought my comment was subtle enough to tell the guy he was using the wrong term, but I guess not. Shit like that drives me nuts.
Now, anyone want to P2P some torrents of some P4P girls?
View all comments by Pattaya Ghost
Ironically, and sorry voyager for piling on to the p2p vs p4p thread, it seems that p2p and p4p also have a relationship in the tech world, with p4p being an improved version of p2p. That should settle the debate once and for all.
View all comments by pmmp
well I think peer to peer sharing is a pretty good description of what we do with these girls… I bet many people here have shared the same girls without even knowing it
View all comments by voyager
” I’ve never had a girl call or sms me without me contacting her first.”
That surprises me a lot, mistah.
You should try the sluts hanging in the after-hours scene. They’re quite pre-emptive, from my experiences; calling late in the night, or asking to go to the movies, or to go eat somewhere, anywhere.
The most common demand are: “u want to come drink whisky in my room?”; or “you want to go (insert club name here) tonight?”; or “u not call me; u forget me…”
I’m yet to get the romantic “me want u to boum-boum me” however…
View all comments by Katechon
“I thought my comment was subtle enough to tell the guy he was using the wrong term, but I guess not. Shit like that drives me nuts.”
Seriously, give it a rest. What’re you… a Bourgeois Monger all of a sudden. You ordering a glass of Chardonnay in Soi 6 now?
View all comments by Canadian Boy
The thing I like about P3P girls is… What? Eh? Oh.
No, seriously, to the author – you are clearly doing something wrong (assuming the GFE is what you want), but I have no idea what.
From a material sense, it sounds like you’re in the upper echelons here. I’d like to take the opportunity to say congratulations, because you can bet nobody else will! So many westerners here seem to like nothing more than to take down their peers, as some comments above seem to hint (“my car’s better than yours”, “my condo’s better than yours”, “my wife’s better than yours”, etc and so on). It’s depressing.
To answer your question… well, to be honest, I can’t:
That is exactly what I would think. I cannot fathom why it’s not the case. Perhaps pure, dumb luck (or rather, lack thereof). But if you’ve been here for “several years” you should surely have lucked out by now? Weird.
@Datou: If your real name is “Datou no-surname” (and nobody else’s is), then yeah I guess that could be a danger. But anyone searching for that name on e.g. Google would find this site too, so I don’t see how it’s a Facebook problem. I don’t believe Facebook would automatically link your identity here with your identity over there, from someone else
s posting, if that’s your concern.
If there’s a real privacy issue here, then of course it should be dealt with, and I’m sure it would be. But I don’t think there’s anything for you to worry about unless you willingly decide to share a page/comment on Facebook yourself.
View all comments by Bangkok Bad Boy
sorrie sorrie (sorry) 4 the p2p thing,,, was sleepy,,, but still, dont see the big fuzz, we know what we r talking about yes!!!?? now awake
it just reminds me about “pattaya the movie” a torrent i found on piratebay where some young newbies have filmed themself running aroud pattaya (fools i think),,, eeeerh and keep it off facebook please,,, my wife i on FB,,, i am thinking she soon have soften up and will let me go see my friends in LOS, so dont rock the boat please 
View all comments by Thedane
I find the P2P scene in Thailand sucks! What with the TOT and CAT always bandwidth blocking me and others constantly spying on me I just don’t have the enthusiasm for P2P here like I do in the west. Forget about sneaking in a little P2P action in a public net cafe. Not gonna happen.
Sure, the DSL modem is a sexier/slimmer model than it’s western counterpart, but as Nick Jagger said, “I can’t get no satisfaction”, with the limited access and taking forever to connect I just end up frustrated and end up wanking off to a blank screen.
You would think P2P in Asia would be more user friendly given that Thai culture generally accepts the sharing concept. But with the political influence in Thailand so regressive I find my heart and mind wandering back to that big, old, worn out P2P DSL box I’ve used countless times in the past.
THE Drunk Blogger
View all comments by THE Drunk Plogger
It always surprises me when people on here begin to tell us that they have found miss right and there is so much difference between the Miss Thailand and those other bimbos that work the bars. I really don’t know what makes a man think that. In my wanderings around the world they really, when you get to the bottom line, are all the same. All cut from the same piece of cloth, all react the same to any given situation. Unless your here to take back, to where ever, a trophy Asian wife then whats the point. If your going to live here the rest of your life maybe Miss Thailand will be what your looking for. But living here means that you will have to contend with the family. not a good thing to look forward to. On the other hand if your here for fun and games, P4P is the answer, using the 4F’s as a guide, find them, feel them, fuck them, and forget them. The money saved will buy you much more than a Camry.
Oh! and no one cares if you have miss goody two shoes or miss slut on your arm, in your car or condo, if it make you feel good do it.
View all comments by The Man
A lot of people seem to read my post as a request for advice on how to find a gf in the bars of Bkk. In fact this is the last thing I want. If I ever do find a gf here she would be a proper university educated girl from a good family who never set foot anywhere near the bars or lounges. Maybe at the bottom they are all the same as one poster claims, but that’s my preference.
I am merely posing a question “Is mongering (P2P, P4P, whatever) the same experience here as in the West or different, not counting the lower cost”. My own case is that it seems to be the same, and I think all the colorful stories that we read are exceptions than the rule, but I could be wrong.
One more thing I should mention is that I very much prefer light skin girls, dark skin Isaan ladies are not attractive to me, unless maybe a 9 or 10 in other respects. Perhaps it is the Isaan ladies that have the “GF for rent” attitude, and their Chiang Mai/Rai sisters more the “pussy for rent” approach?
View all comments by voyager
@voyager
“As for you comment wishing that I get “torched”, well thanks for good wishes, I suppose no blog is free of hate…”
I’d apologise but I never wished it in the first place.
Nothing but love here baby but I reserve the right to have a dig.
I’m also fabulously wealthy but tend to keep the Veyron garaged and only use tuk tuks to keep a low profile similar to yours. It was this same desire that led me to split up with Panward Hemmanee and sent me into the arms of some semi literate Nong Khai farmer’s daughter with skin blacker than Dick Cheney’s soul.
@The Man
The trouble with marrying a Miss Thailand is that any offspring may be born with a proclivity to run down people at bus queues even if in fairness they deserve it for being poor.
View all comments by Wentworth
@voyager — I’ve encountered recently a sleek-looking Chiang May gal — and she’s showering me with sms and phone calls…
Her boyfriend of 5 years is in jail for gang-rape… Gulp.
She’s in Bangkok since a few months, and does not have many friends, it seems.
I write this coze its sounds very strange to me that sluts don’t try to girl-friend you. I mean — many try it on me — and I’m openly sticky with money; I have a small moped only; and am renting a modest apartment in Ratchada. No car, no fancy condo, no fat shiny wallet. And I look like a fucking monkey. Really.
Yet they preemptively call, invite me to their room, or to eat with their friends; or ask me if they can come to my place, or if i can buy a whiskey bottle for their “sister”‘s birthday, etc…
So as our jovial BBB wrote, you might do something wrong.
From my experience, a lot of whores — freelancers or bargirls — do want to hook up with a gentlemanly farang who can offer them a decent standard of living.
I can’t compare P4P between here and in Farangland, for i never mongered much in the West.
Good luck anyway!
Lots of those gals want a boyfriend.
View all comments by Katechon
LOL… when these girls ask me if I have a gf already and I say that I do not they never seem to believe me, and assume I am lying. So sometimes to amuse myself I tell them that I do have (even though I don’t) and so by lying I actually win points for being honest
But that’s the nature of Thai society everybody is expected to lie and save face, so sometimes lying appears more honest to people…
Also now that I’ve been here for a while I usually tip modestly, knowing that 300 baht is a daily wage here for most people. However occasionally just on a whim I will act very generous and drop a few thousand more than I really need just to see the reaction. Usually it seems to make no difference. My guess is they think I just don’t know the market and try hard to act casual just like they always expect that sort of money….lol
View all comments by voyager
“when these girls ask me if I have a gf already and I say that I do not they never seem to believe me”
Same here.
Taking out the view the “nail remover lacquer* and the “seaweed hair-treatment formula* helped in that regard, however
View all comments by Katechon
LOL…but you can still get betrayed by that long hair somewhere, they are very observant about this sort of stuff. In my case I live alone and rarely have girls stay overnight, let alone bring over their stuff. Moreover I have a daily maid service and linen change, so my place is as “girl safe” as can be.
View all comments by voyager
No: There is no comparison to be made between The Bangkok/Thailand P4P scene and the England/London P4P. If you think there is any real meaning in this question then I do not know where you have been whoring. It is beyond me. Have a walk around Kings Cross or visit the massage parlours there. The Thais do it so much better it is unrecognisable in most western countries.
And I do not mean to be didactic but P2P means peer to peer file sharing and P4P means Pay for Play which is a euphemism for paying for sex. And we all know either way you get your sex: via whoring, marriage or posh totty: you always pay. I am sure that I am not the first on this forum to quote/paraphrase William Burroughs: ‘The women who does not want your money wants all your money’. Anyway I think the important thing is your happiness, posh tarts, Camry and penthouse and your insight. But I could never ever imagine going back to that girlfriend/relationship thing. The only reason to be in Thailand is the regular supply of free range immodest girls at a modest price. IMHO
View all comments by The Sandman
I did plenty of mongering in London and New York, but of course to find comparable quality in terms of looks you have to pay much more, about 7x to 10x more, like $500/hr or $1,000 per night, for a high class call girl or freelancer. In London it is mostly East European girls, in New York there is greater variety, including many Asian chicks. But except for the price the experience is much the same, in fact for certain services, such as anal, fantasy stuff, etc is much easier to find in the West.
Because of the lower cost I can indulge more frequently in Bkk, but on the other hand I have less luck with regular girls here than I did back home. Instead of 50/50 between “free” and “paid” sex it is more like 20/80 here. Perhaps this is due to language or cultural difficulties. My Thai friends certainly have no trouble hooking up with lots of girls for free. The thing about always having to pay is not true, many horny girls out there, they are not so different from men, but if you are 40 and want a 20yr old hottie it does take quite a bit of work to game her and you do get rejected many times.
View all comments by voyager
I think some confusion has crept in here. All whores are not alike, be that in the west, or in Thailand.
Go to So Ho in London and dabble in the stop-watch style antics of a rough Albanian hooker in a run-down room above a hairdressers while her scraggy maid is nocking on the door telling you to hurry up and you are likely to have a wham bam now get the hell out of here non GFE. Spend 1k GBP on a Russian girl in London for the whole night and she will give you that GFE, every last bit of it. It’s expensive, but we all need a treat now and again.
Same as Thailand, but with different economics. The Russian girl wants you back to spend another thousand quid next week. The Thai girl wants another 2000 baht the next week…or the next night or next month etc….If you have some wealth and by the standards of the place you are living in it is enough to make a girl more than comfortable, hey presto, you are likely to stumble on that GFE. You get what you pay for in P4P. Unless you are very handsome (like myself) and you can distort these rules, a little…
I had a relationship with a Thai girl from a So Ho room above, you’ve guessed it, a hairdresser. She was a 20 GBP for 10 mins hooker. But I left her my phone number and she moved into my London flat the following week, and stayed there for two years (and had an alcohol problem, though she did redecorate my flat for free, but that is another story).
View all comments by bassyfarang
“Perhaps this is due to language or cultural difficulties.”
Yes. That’d be it.
View all comments by Wenthworth