Elephants, 30k a month & more on the Scams!
Posted by sideshowBOB | Blog, Reader Submissions | Posted on July 7th, 2009
We posted on it yesterday and not much has changed since then. I think most of everything “red light” related is closed today and tomorrow but there are rumors that things get going again tomorrow night. Of course things could be open since this is Thailand and nothing is ever certain. So if you know of stuff open please chime in for the benefit of all. Silom area looks to be open but not sure on Patpong. Cowboy and Nana are to be closed but I think you may find some things open on Soi 4 but not serving. Then again someone could be serving. Mango is closed. All the G Club girls I know say they are off today and tomorrow. I imagine it is the same with the soapies. Saphan Kwai/Suttisan area is closed as well. So there is it is.
Another article on the aiport scam stuff. Frankly I am not sure what is going on. The earlier videos sure looked like stealing to me. So if the issue is a setup then I don’t see it but if it is about how people are being dealt with after stealing – well that is shady territory in any country really. Especially if you are trying to buy your way out of it. I am not saying I know what is going on but either way the noise is not good for Thailand. I don’t understand why that in any situation where foreigners are involved that the Tourist Police are not the lead people to work on it. Seems it might cut out the issues to some extent. Will be interesting to see what happens with all this.
The idea that these holidays are boosting tourism is so absurd given that there is no drinking and most things are shut. Clueless.
So the Red Shirts were prosecuted but frankly I have not heard about anyone doing time so now you have the yellow shirts getting in trouble for the Airport debacle. Interesting – I mean they obviously will chase someone so why not a prominent government figure who happened to speak at the occupation. Somehow I think nothing will happen here but possibly the Dems having to let him go.
Was sent this in from Ajarn.com about someone living on 30k a month. Nice:
With many teaching positions on the ajarn jobs page paying 30,000 baht a month (some even less) forum member Hollow has decided to put things to the test and record his daily spend. Many employers tell us that 30,000 baht a month is enough to live a very comfortable lifestyle – even in Bangkok. I’ve heard Thai people describe that kind of dough as ‘luxury’ Then again perhaps that’s a load of old tosh. So does 30K a month enable you to lord it up right until the last day of the month or are you going to be stumbling through the final week on a diet of pot noodles and tap water? OK Hollow. Pencil? Notebook? Let’s begin.
A friend of mine has been cruising Date in Asia and noticed quite a few ladyboys from Bangkok. He mentioned this to Young Penfold one day and YP said to send them his way. So when he chatted with one the other day he sent “her” YP’s profile link. This was the response:
“Just tell hime,i know him along time,and i use to sleep in his room before ++
“Hahahahahaha”
There you have it.
Noticed the video from CNN about Soi 4? Well it was not about the bars but the elephants. At least it was not BBC trying to make a case between elephant hunger and child prostitution. I had always thought the handlers brought the elephants into town to help pay for them. This video makes it sound like they purposefully raise the elephants to make money on the streets. People in the Surin area, where most of the chang come from, have always told me they cannot afford the elephants anymore so they come to Bangkok to beg and help pay for them. For sure this is a problem and the government should be doing more than they are for the sake of the elephants since they don’t look happy cruising down lower suk and it always fucks traffic up.
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View all comments by Canadianboy
I think the elephants have fun taking all those snacks from tourists.
What they don’t enjoy is being chained up on some hot, deserted, empty lot 20 hours a day.
A symbol of Thailand, it’s such a shame shameful to exploit them.
If the Police really wanted them off the streets, it would be done in an instant.
For sure they are taking a piece of the action.
View all comments by JJ
c – only helps if they are open under me buddy
jj – yes. it sucks for them. I dont see the police being the facilitators of all things that ail bkk. the reality is this is a social issue. thailand has elephants and it is the poor who own them. there is a special force for this and I have talked to them once before. there is no money for them. this video highlights that team yellow is financing the buying of elephants to take them off the streets. this seems smarter than punishing the handlers unless there are perpetually doing this to make money. could be that some are. again I feel bad for the elephants.
View all comments by sideshowBOB
I have heard that the police don’t know what to do with the elephants if they arrest the mahouts, and that might make sense.
There was a plan a few years ago to hire them to patrol national parks, where at least they would get enough to eat. In the city they starve for lack of food.
Paying to get 100 off the streets of Bangkok will clear the way for the next 100 to come in
View all comments by Professor
prof – u arrest the mahout and what happens to the elephant? somehow systematically dealing with the issue of why this happens and to prevent it would be the only way. but this is thailand – the social ills of poverty and farmers/mahouts being left behind is a big problem. elephants roaming the streets is just a symptom IMHO and one the police are un equipped to deal with.
View all comments by sideshowBOB
LOL YP your my hero! The King of the Ladyboys. One of these days I gotta try one…
View all comments by Datou
Those big elephants scare the piss out of me. Im guessing most people have seen clips from the trashy TV shows ‘When Animal Attack’ and seen elephants and shit tearing down the street, and trampling peoples faces into the ground.
Purely a guess, but maybe they are too weak/hungry, or out of their massive faces on drugs for them to muster the energy to do it?
On the subject of 30k a month, for your average Joe SomTam, thats a fair bit of wedge. An ex GF of a good friend of mine worked an entry level position for BangkokBank and she was chuffed with her 14k a month. I spent a darling evening last week tonsil fucking the bejesus out of a call-centre girl who brings in 12k From what Ive read, a 7/11 worker gets around 8-9k a month, so 30k in the scheme of things isn’t too shabby at all for Thai standards
However………30k a month slices down to 7.5k a week or call it 1000baht a day. Even if you eat 3 meals of streetfood a day, thats 150baht. Your gonna need to get too and from work – taxis/motosai/MRT/BTS you could say maybe another 100-200 baht. So 300 or so baht of that 1000 has gone already. Then factor in rent, bills, toiletries, going out on the piss, maybe a monthly soapie, going shopping etc etc and the fact if your working a teaching job you probably wont have a work permit, so will have to pony up for visa runs too.
Thing is with Bangkok, I could earn 250,000 baht a month, and that still wouldn’t be enough
View all comments by Young Penfold
250k a month is about right..covers house payment, 2 car payments, 2 kids tuition, food, sat tv, internet, phone, fuel, electric, water,..etc etc..
not much left for anything else.
View all comments by bobonzo
I’m with YP on this…
You could earn a million baht a month… it still wouldn’t be enough.
View all comments by Daywalker
rumor is nana is open tonight but not serving
pretty sure cowboy is closed
View all comments by sideshowBOB
@SSB
Agreed, it is a social problem with deep roots, but it makes me sad every time I see foreign tourists feeding the elephants in Bangkok.
Once proud creatures, now without dignity and dependent on a mercenary people who would kill them and eat them if given half the chance.
Shame about the elephants as well.
View all comments by Professor
Elephants must be the story of the month …. ABC TV in Aust. had pretty much the same story a couple of weeks ago, same soi 4 footage from outside the Dynasty and Golden bar, same elephant camp etc. Maybe some taxi driver has got a package tour going for foreign TV crews !
View all comments by Mike
Re the shop lifting couple, my take is having seen the video footage (assuming they do not dispute it was them) is that she stole but at that point the video evidience was not in the public domain.
They knew they were guilty and paid their way out possibly due to fear of the consequences, but then for some unknown reason decided to take it to the UK press on the basis that they had paperwork saying they were not guilty.
They only reason they were given that paperwork was they had paid their way out of the charges.
Now the video footage has been released I am surprised more people are not backing down with all their slagging off of all that is Thai in this matter.
They stole and rather than leave with their tails between their legs they decided to make an issue not realising that the video would be released. Maybe they saw financial gain to be made ala the beer mat stealing bird from Australia.
The problem for the Thais is that obviously someone is preying on the shoplifters to make financial gain rather than process them through the proper channels. FFS, if it was being dealt with officially they would not be put up at some love hotel out of the way.
I don’t reckon King Power are involved but think all the shenanigans goes on after they have made the report/allegation of shop lifting.
So hopefully the Thais will put an end to the extortion (bad publicity) although if processed properly do not be surprised to see people being locked up in the Hilton for life for stealing a wallet (also bad publicity).
View all comments by Ossies
Im with penfold on this, i remember drinking with a mate inbetween soi 7 and central rd, pattaya. Baby elephant came around, i dissapeared, mate said, whats up its only a baby…………..i said yeah, it still has the power of over 100 men, ya dont know what type of mood their in.
Im pretty sure they must drug them up in order to put up with the music and people divin g from 1 bar to another and the girls with their screaming to TRY and talk above the music, especially soi8.
Im gone when they arrive.
View all comments by ELVIS790
The only elephant I’m scared of is #20 down at Deja Vu on Soi Cowboy. I saw one man get mauled by her. That was enough.
View all comments by humantsunami
I’m no pachydermologist (and no, that doesn’t mean “katoey gynecologist”) but I know a coupla things about elephants:
Average daily sustenance for an adult elephant is about 200 kilograms of jungle-type food daily. You think they get anywhere near that much in an urban environment? The chang-noi variety don’t need as much, but it’s still more than they get. What drug would be chosen as an appetite-suppressant in Thailand?
You guessed it. Of course they’re YB’d up.
One other thing: elephants live as long as humans, so traditionally the mahout stays with the animal for life if it’s to work. I don’t know how widespread this custom is, but when you consider that it’s a relatively intelligent animal with substantial nutrition needs, just because it can be domesticated doesn’t mean it should be brought into urban areas to be dazzled by neon.
Hell, we’re there because we WANT to be, and we know what we’re doing. Or at least, we think we know what we’re doing. Half the time, anyway. Okay, a third.
@Datou: love yr icon! If you wanna hit some katoey bung, go for it. You might want to ask YP to discern which ones have “dangling participles” though, if that’s an issue for you. Be nice and don’t forget to glove up.
JtB
View all comments by Jack the Bat
@Young Penfold
What about when “Ladyboys Attack”…
would you rather it be a 12 ton monster or a chick with a dick?
View all comments by Canadianboy
No-booze update: Nana Plaza is closed. Soi 31 and 33 massage joints open. Thermae and some 7/1 bars open but not sure if they’re serving, but probably are.
View all comments by pmmp
“and the fact if your working a teaching job you probably wont have a work permit”
au contraire
i do two “teaching” shows nightly STRICTLY for the one year visa / work permit .
my 30 k salary i donate directly to isaan through various intermediaries .
View all comments by jack dawson
@JD – Apologies…. That should have read “teaching in a 30k a month teaching job……”
I think English teachers in BKK have quite a bad rep, as I know quite a few respectable guys that work for decent schools, and pull in very decent coin here.
However these guys are far outweighed by the fuckstains you tend to see on the visa-runs and have the misfortune to come across on a daily basis out here.
Yet again on the cash front, I think if you have TOO MUCH in Bangkok, it can fuck you up, depending on your circumstances. If your a single guy with minimal overheads, the nightly boozing, endless amount of chicks, drugs and debauchery available on-tap, can send you into a spin if you have no financial boundaries.
I reckon in and about 100,000b for a single dude is a happy medium. Not too much that you lose control, but enough that you can have a comfortable living.
View all comments by Young Penfold
i do the elephant job at the rate of money per mth.where do i apply
View all comments by geoff davies
“I reckon in and about 100,000b for a single dude is a happy medium.”
maybe, if you don’t mind bedding low quality skank and living in bargirl-style housing. imho, that is.
View all comments by generous sponsor
By the way, when you are talking income, are you talking “net” or “gross”?….I prefer talking about net after taxes as that’s all that really counts anyways…..
View all comments by Bangkok Wildcat
@generous sponsor – “maybe, if you don’t mind bedding low quality skank and living in bargirl-style housing. imho, that is”
Think your so way off their its laughable.
Bargirl style housing are 3-4k a month rooms, even less. With 100k you can easily stretch to 10-25k a month plus for accomodation, which in BKK can get you some nice digs.
Drop 20-25k on accommodation and you still have 75k for the month, or a shade under 20,000 a week to play with.
Maybe you have to rely purely on cash to get laid? I know a number of guys here that make under 100k a month (including myself) and live in decent places and get plenty of decent ass
View all comments by Young Penfold
“With 100k you can easily stretch to 10-25k a month plus for accomodation, which in BKK can get you some nice digs.”
depends what you mean by “nice digs” i guess. for me, it’s gotta be upper sukhumvit, chidlom or sathorn. two bedrooms. an actual kitchen. a balcony that you can actually sit on. a pool that you can swim in. no indians. parking. new. think the lakes, athenee residence, or the park chidom. that will easily run you 50,000 for a small one bedroom, assuming you’re renting.
it’s not what you need to get laid. bar girls, coyotoes, and uni girls from just off the farm at ramkhamhaeng are impressed with much less, of course.
View all comments by generous sponsor
gs – sure it all depends on what u are taking home and from where. No doubt about it. I think there are some quality girls to be had without the amazing digs but taste varies widely as to what quality is.
If you are pulling real hi-so or the girl from channel 3 you need a real place. Or you are lucky that she does not mind taking you to hers.
No indians. Thats funny. I am in a proper building but it is full of indians, thai movie stars and a few mia nois of rich folks. Does this building not count?
Funny u touch on the uni girl thing – have a post brewing about that pet peeve of mine.
View all comments by sideshowBOB
@GenerousSonsor – For me, its a 2bed apartment in Thong Lo, with an actual kitchen, a swimming pool that gets swam in regularly, haven’t seen a single Indian here, and new german saloons in the carpark, and it doesnt cost 50k a month
Granted, if you were rolling in a 200,000 a month super-suite, it makes it way easier to seal the deal, however I have NEVER (even back when I was staying in a 7k a month room on suk 22) had a girl turn me down based on where I lived, and before you jump in, Im not talking toothless bargirls or ‘uni’ girls asking for 1500baht taxi money in the morning
View all comments by Young Penfold
“I am in a proper building but it is full of indians, thai movie stars”
interesting – never thought the two would mix
i’m sure your place counts. i’ve never chosen a place based on what will maximize mongering opportunities, especially since i’m pretty much married, but instead where i feel the most comfortable. after living here on and off for a long time now, i notice i’ve started to become less tolerant of certain thai ways of doing things (like cancelling this week’s economist – again) and need a decent place where i can escape. plus i’m old.
View all comments by generous sponsor
As of 2:30 on Wed., Nataree is open, but there were only 8 girls available, 4 in the bowl, 4 out. Emmanuelle is closed. The soapie between Emmanuelle and the train is open. FWIW.
View all comments by fender
I’m sure YP can back me up on this, but if you are a younger decent looking presentable guy working here then where you live doesn’t mean sh*t. The girls (I’m talking hi-so Thonglor/Ekkamai types) don’t care one iota, they just want to bang a young foreign guy. Doesn’t matter where it happens just that it happens.
View all comments by bkk22
bkk – that was my thinking…
View all comments by sideshowBOB
@BKK22 – Im far from what you describe as ‘decent looking and presentable’ but I agree with the rest of it, however say it on the internet and you get accused of chest-thumping and bullshitting 90% of the time.
View all comments by Young Penfold
Let me guess, the Economist was censored cos of this article:
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13962550
View all comments by Mavidaloco
Define “younger”.
View all comments by fender
m – must be the one although my understanding is the powers that be are so powerful the economist is self censoring and so are the distributors. No one is asking they do it. hardcore.
f – my age.
View all comments by sideshowBOB
LMAO, I did enjoy the testosterone hose down on this thread between GS and YP.
However, like a few others i’m also in agreement with YP.
I understand that a reasonable amount of presentation is something some people feel they need to do;
1) King dick swank pad.
2) Prominant Fashion cloth adorning their torso.
3) Flashing a shiny Amex Platinum or a Coutts Platinum, or instead a Fatboy wallet with the leather sides straining under the way too much cash needed for a night out.
4) And speaking in a superior manner.
All of the above designed to impress some hi-so bitch that thinks she’s reached the echelons of the sex industry!
Personally i’ve found that with my “not so bad looks” with all my own hair and teeth, a reasonable budget and a reasonable place to live – i’ve had some great nights deep mining my way into a cute FL.
Just like any other comodity on this planet, there reaches a point where “value for money” or “is she worth” will enter any mans thoughts.
I won’t pay more than 3k THB for LT, no matter how fucking hot she looks, there are just too many other hunnies out there just as hot that won’t be asking you for their monthly housing rent for a one off ST/ LT!
View all comments by Eddie T
I pull in 660k THB per month, 220K of this goes into taxes. (Too bad I still have to deal with double pricing and visa renewals, the ungrateful fucking smilers). Give the wife 35k per month to pay for her car and incidentals. Own the condo in BKK so the monthly payments are: 4 k maintenance fees, 1.5k electricity, 1.5k cable, 1k high speed internet, 100 baht phone and 100 baht for water- or about 8k a month. Spend 15k a month on groceries at the emporium, I like my farang food and maybe another 10k a month going out to eat. 20k a month on local travelling and misc bullshit.
The remaining 350k a month goes into savings so I can enjoy NOT working 14 hours a day and pulling like crazy. Not like getting older makes you any less attractive here.
-Jeezo
View all comments by Jeezo
eddit – cool but I think what we are referring to is when guys are banging without paying – not about how much one is paying.
j – why the big taxes? sounds like u are doing pretty well IMHO either way. how much of your budget is spent on the other chicks in your life?
View all comments by sideshowBOB
SSB,
Thai tax rate is 30% above 1 million baht per year and 37% above 4 million baht per year. So my effective rate is 33%. Sucks but I can’t hide from it as I’m working a salaried job for a BOI company, everything is declared.
I’m spending a bit on other honeys but not big bucks.
-Jeezo
View all comments by Jeezo
j – well I wont cry for u given the salary but I will say that the team that negotiated your BOI deal did not take the Thai powers that be to the soapies enough since most BOI companies get nominal tax rates for their employees – usually capped at 10-15% to allow them to hire expats and such. Wouldn’t that be nice?
View all comments by sideshowBOB
@Jeezo – All that ferang food must be making you fat? If you need a personal trainer to help you shift that chubb, just call me.
@Eddie – The crux of my arguement wasn’t a macho thing by any strecth. I dont have a paper-cup to piss in (In Bangkok anyway) and when I do make good money here, I spend it like a millionaire (which im not…..yet) and wake up the next day broke as shit, but so many sweeping/inaccurate statements are made online, and it needed addressing.
Like BKK22 said, if a girl likes you enough to wanna go back to your place and fuck, it doesn’t matter 2 squirts of piss whether its the penthouse at the Shanri-La or a 2,000b a month shithole in the armpit of Bang-Na, whether you make 2million baht a month or 20 baht.
View all comments by Young Penfold
Have to agree with Jeezzo that the tax rate sucks. 1/3rd my salary goes to the gov compared to just 15% when I lived in HK…. In the old days you could get the majority paid off shore but now its harder to arrange this.
View all comments by MSB
SSB,
The BOI rates refer to the corporate tax rates the company pays, and usually there is no tax for the first few years, corporate wise.
For individuals they all have to pay tax- all my staff included. I don’t know how to get around that except to get paid offshore – and only partially as if you don’t some pay and tax taken out on shore- no work permit.
Only person I know who doesn’t pay tax is the #1 if you know what I mean. Apparently his company generates $160 Million USD a year but they don’t pay a satang in taxes. Amazing isn’t it?
YP,
I am getting chubby, you are right. I do work out everyday usually but as I’m getting into my 30′s my weight creeps up. I can still run 6 km in 30 minutes and do 50 pullups in 3 sets but I’m not happy to see that spare tire round the middle. Maybe you can help?
-Jeezo
View all comments by Jeezo
@Jeezo – Ill get one of the mango guys to forward you my email address
If I was bringing in 440k a month im pretty sure id be dead very quick. Aids and liver failure most likely.
View all comments by Young Penfold
j – there are a few companies I know of who as part of their BOI deal offer 10-15% capped tax rates on their employee salaries. so it is not just the company taxes
lots of things can be structured under BOI
like I said your BOI team did not take the thais out enough
View all comments by sideshowBOB
ssb- I wonder if you are talking about companies that are regional operating headquarters (like Exxon, Ford, Toyota). These are under the BOI, but difficult to form unless you have operations in at least three countries and with most of the profits derived from outside of Thailand. The expats there are taxed at a 15% flat rate (which doesn’t help much if you’re from the US and earn a decent salary).
Jeezo’s company is probably not a regional operating headquarters, but a regular company with BOI privileges. Thus, his company gets a nice tax break, but not him. I’ll ring the bell at the Mango if someone shows otherwise.
god i’m boring. no wonder i have to shell out so much for sex.
View all comments by generous sponsor
gs – u know this stuff more than me. I know of one tech startup that I was told was offering 15% on local salaries. Another one I know of fits the model you describe of a regional HQ but the company makes money globally. That’s all I know. Fun topics!
for me – I would love to have these tax problem.
View all comments by sideshowBOB
btw, isn’t there a post milestone for bigmangobar.coming up or did i miss it? 30,000, right?
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well. we are at 1274 posts and 31274 comments.
but according to others we are on the way out.
View all comments by sideshowBOB
SSB,
One reason they might suggest 15% tax is because the salary is so low
My company does have business entities in Singapore, China and here- I’m running the business in Thailand. We are small potatoes really. 500 people only.
I’m also from the US so I have to give uncle obama my pound of flesh in addition to the Thai gov’t but have been out here 3 years already and have a huge foreign tax credit on account of the higher tax rates here. Maybe it’s time for a quick stint in HK or Singapore…?
YP,
I’m also a vegetarian so I need to mix up a lot of farang food with the Thai food. Many Thais don’t understand how to make good vegetarian and default to pad phuk. Not to mention I absolutely fucking hate rice. The worst grain that graces the planet, in my opinion. It would be great if a virus took out the world wide rice crop and the SE Asians would have to switch over to wheat… I’d be a happy man!
-Jeezo.
View all comments by Jeezo
Cous cous. The grain so great they named it twice.
Let YP shape you up, just avoid the ‘after work-out showers’ as we all know the predilections that YP has. Drop the soap and you’re done.
View all comments by The Heckler
@Jeezo – Rice is a cunt. When I was a Personal Trainer in Malaysia, my bodyfat went from 12% down to 9% in a single week from cutting rice. In Thailand, despite my high booze intake, I can drop 2kg in a few days by ditching the white-stuff. I usually do this if I have a pre-planned trip to Cascades around the corner, and am needing to look my best
Weetabix and wholemeal bread is how I keep my carbo game strong, moo krataa, grilled chicken etc is how I keep the protein levels high. If your a veggie, I recommend you should eat a lot of teenage cunt/ass as they have high protein content.
I train with SSB 3-4times a week (Iworkout he looks in the mirror blowing kisses at himself) and he will vouch that nothing untoward happens in the showers (that often)
On a serious note, if you want some PT ow what have you, get in touch via http://www.bigmangobar.com/about/
View all comments by Young Penfold
YP,
I will think about contacting you through SSB for some PT. No shower time with this though…
9% bodyfat is pretty good- I was that level 9 years ago when I was hiking and mountain climbing like a mad dog. Unfortunately living here and commuting in a car in the cunty traffic 3-4 hours a day + 12 hours at the plant leads to an unhealthy lifestyle- must be around 18% body fat now. Am 6′ 2″ and was 78 kg at my fighting weight, and am now up to 90 kg. Same strength as before but fat added. It sucks!
Living in Thailand is just plain unhealthy.
-Jeezo
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